Game of Thrones *WARNING* may contain spoilers!

[Waspy]

Starts on Monday in the UK... can't wait. If it's half as good as the books it'll be the best thing on telly all year.

[MadAshton]

Did no one else watch this?

The pros:

Decent cast [although Sean Bean is now fatter than Adam Jones]
Excellent sets
As close to the book [plot-wise] as it could have been
Plenty of T and A, especially from the hot little scooch who is playing Danaerys
'Real' violence, and not comic book silliness

The cons:
Jaime's accent is laughable
Cersai isn't hot enough
Tyrion isn't ugly enough
Catelyn Stark is as annoying on screen as she is on the page
It was only an hour long! I want more!

All in all, it was very impressive. If only George RR Martin would hurry up and finish the next book - four years overdue and counting.

Lazy c#nt.

[Which Tyler]

Did no one else watch this?

The pros:

Decent cast [although Sean Bean is now fatter than Adam Jones]
Excellent sets
As close to the book [plot-wise] as it could have been
Plenty of T and A, especially from the hot little scooch who is playing Danaerys
'Real' violence, and not comic book silliness

The cons:
Jaime's accent is laughable
Cersai isn't hot enough
Tyrion isn't ugly enough
Catelyn Stark is as annoying on screen as she is on the page
It was only an hour long! I want more!

All in all, it was very impressive. If only George RR Martin would hurry up and finish the next book - four years overdue and counting.

Lazy c#nt.
most are talking about it in the crooked feed; there's also a thread in this MB on all new/upcoming releases where it's been discussed a fair bit.
As for the last book, the release date is this summer (June 12?) and not overdue at all, given that it's the first time he's set a date.
IIRC he gave the 4th book a radical overhaul, which completely screwed his story projected into the future, so had to essentially scrap everything he'd done for book 5 to accommodate; hopefully he's now got that sorted out and 6 & 7 should work out much quicker. Not to mention a big pay-day to get the shows done (and risk that BO would just invent their own ending if he hasn't)

[QwentyJ]

Thoroughly enjoyable. Can't beat Lena Headly getting boffed....even if it is her on-screen brother. The Dwarf actor is also quite good. I also have a man crush on Sean Bean.

[BigAl]

Martin was 70,000 words into Book four (or 7 depending on how you count it)when he hit a creative wall. After sitting on it for a year he decided to toss the lot in the bin and start from scratch.

Given that it was initially invisaged as a three book trilogy it's way, way over written. I gave up after book two(4) wishing I'd given up after book one.

Despite being obviously well written it's a fine example of everything that's wrong with speculative fiction publishing.

[Waspy]

Well, so far only Feast for Crows has been a let down, I'm hoping the new one will have a bit more direction. In any case the first 3-4 books (depending on whether you count Storm of Swords as 2 books) are well worth reading.

[Which Tyler]

creative wall? that's 1 way of putting it I guess.
IIRC he wanted a 5 year gap for the plot lines, but realised this would only work for the principal story arcs, but not for any of the (many, many) subplots and minor arcs.

He tried anyway, but got stuck; and had aged the kids too young to cope without those 5 years to mature, so had to scrap the lot and start again with massive tinkering of the plots from his initial intentions. Hence tasking so long with books 4&5.
Hopefully, now he's sorted these issues, he'll be fine.

I agree that book 4 was laboured; but kinda understand why; I'll probably also view the finished article as a trilogy split 7 ways (just like LOTR was a single book, split 3 / 6 ways) with book 4 & 5 as the middle of the series. We all know that middle books tend to be the hardest going.


Incidentally guys, what are your view on (minor spoiler alert) Jon Snow's parentage? - I'd only discovered the theory after reading the books, so was hazey on a lot of the details - but R+L=J makes sense to me.

[QwentyJ]

Well, so far only Feast for Crows has been a let down, I'm hoping the new one will have a bit more direction. In any case the first 3-4 books (depending on whether you count Storm of Swords as 2 books) are well worth reading.

Waspy, does anyone actually think you're a girl anymore?

[Waspy]

Waspy, does anyone actually think you're a girl anymore?

Nope, but I've kept the sig just in case.

[MadAshton]

The problem with the books is that his editor has never said to him: "listen you hairy fat c#nt, the sections about Tyrion, Cersai, Jaime, Jon Snow, Arya, Sansa and Daenaerys are absolutely incredible, nay exhilarating fantasy fiction - all the rest are poorly written, over written, and worst of all .... boring."

Unfortunately something similar happened to Steven Erikson, George RR Martin's big rival for 'King of Fantasy'. The first five of his Malazan series are probably the greatest books ever written. The next five range from average to crap.

Oh, before I forget, Fevre Dream is Gearge RR Martin's best book. It's about vampires that travel on steamships in the American South. Yes, it sounds awful - but the prose and atmosphere are simply peerless, and make his 'Game of Thrones' look positively amateurish.

[joshfishkins]

The problem with the books is that his editor has never said to him: "listen you hairy fat c#nt, the sections about Tyrion, Cersai, Jaime, Jon Snow, Arya, Sansa and Daenaerys are absolutely incredible, nay exhilarating fantasy fiction - all the rest are poorly written, over written, and worst of all .... boring."

Unfortunately something similar happened to Steven Erikson, George RR Martin's big rival for 'King of Fantasy'. The first five of his Malazan series are probably the greatest books ever written. The next five range from average to crap.

Oh, before I forget, Fevre Dream is Gearge RR Martin's best book. It's about vampires that travel on steamships in the American South. Yes, it sounds awful - but the prose and atmosphere are simply peerless, and make his 'Game of Thrones' look positively amateurish.

Fevre Dream is a great book, but it's nowhere near as good as the first three Fire and Ice books - they are awesome, ambitious and actually got me enjoying fantasy for the first time as an adult.

I like the episode I've seen, but did wonder how newbie's would find it. There's an awful lot of important characters who don't do much more than stand around or get their hair cut.

[MadAshton]

Fevre Dream is a great book, but it's nowhere near as good as the first three Fire and Ice books - they are awesome, ambitious and actually got me enjoying fantasy for the first time as an adult.

I like the episode I've seen, but did wonder how newbie's would find it. There's an awful lot of important characters who don't do much more than stand around or get their hair cut.
The second episode was nowhere near as good as the first. Thus far Tyrion and Jaime are stealing the show [as they do in the books], and Joffrey has alot of potential.

F#ck off Mark Addy. Simply dreadful casting.

[Tribeman]

Fevre Dream is a great book, but it's nowhere near as good as the first three Fire and Ice books - they are awesome, ambitious and actually got me enjoying fantasy for the first time as an adult.

I like the episode I've seen, but did wonder how newbie's would find it. There's an awful lot of important characters who don't do much more than stand around or get their hair cut.

I've never read the books but I'm loving the show so far. The first episode was a little overwhelming but its coming together nicely after the second

[Cartman]

It's been dead all week so I thought I'd whack on Sky Player. sat through the sh*t Halloween II and nothing, put the 1st episode of this on and every bastard turned up, cheeky feckers expecting me to stop everything and do some work for them!!!!

I'll have to try and watch it sometime over my next 11 days off

[switchskier]

creative wall? that's 1 way of putting it I guess.
IIRC he wanted a 5 year gap for the plot lines, but realised this would only work for the principal story arcs, but not for any of the (many, many) subplots and minor arcs.

He tried anyway, but got stuck; and had aged the kids too young to cope without those 5 years to mature, so had to scrap the lot and start again with massive tinkering of the plots from his initial intentions. Hence tasking so long with books 4&5.
Hopefully, now he's sorted these issues, he'll be fine.

I agree that book 4 was laboured; but kinda understand why; I'll probably also view the finished article as a trilogy split 7 ways (just like LOTR was a single book, split 3 / 6 ways) with book 4 & 5 as the middle of the series. We all know that middle books tend to be the hardest going.


Incidentally guys, what are your view on (minor spoiler alert) Jon Snow's parentage? - I'd only discovered the theory after reading the books, so was hazey on a lot of the details - but R+L=J makes sense to me.


The link you're thinking of seems too obvious for me. Martin's not done the obvious thing at any point in the series so I'm expecting him to invent a new character or perhaps twist it so he's Roberts of Neds older brothers.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Fevre Dream is a great book, but it's nowhere near as good as the first three Fire and Ice books - they are awesome, ambitious and actually got me enjoying fantasy for the first time as an adult.

I like the episode I've seen, but did wonder how newbie's would find it. There's an awful lot of important characters who don't do much more than stand around or get their hair cut.I'm one, though the wife has read all the books being a sci-fi fantasy nut. It's been good. You have to give any series a chance to introduce their characters and we've got a sense of what's going on in each area.

[joshfishkins]

I'm one, though the wife has read all the books being a sci-fi fantasy nut. It's been good. You have to give any series a chance to introduce their characters and we've got a sense of what's going on in each area.

Fair point and I'm glad you're enjoying it. You really should read the books though!

[Which Tyler]

So many characters, it's going to take a good 3-4 episodes before they're all introduced negligible spoilers (there'll be a host more once they arrive at king's landing, and Cat gets to the Eyrie). Of course, by then, there will still be the odd new character arriving anyway, but it will have slowed down - for this series

[joshfishkins]

So many characters, it's going to take a good 3-4 episodes before they're all introduced negligible spoilers (there'll be a host more once they arrive at king's landing, and Cat gets to the Eyrie). Of course, by then, there will still be the odd new character arriving anyway, but it will have slowed down - for this series


I think it's a bit odd that HBO have made it now. The first book doesn't really end does it and Martin hasn't finished writing the whole thing yet. They may have to change things slightly to get each plotline to end on a cliffhanger so they get series 2.

[Waspy]

[/B]

I think it's a bit odd that HBO have made it now. The first book doesn't really end does it and Martin hasn't finished writing the whole thing yet. They may have to change things slightly to get each plotline to end on a cliffhanger so they get series 2.

They've got Series 2 already.

[QwentyJ]

http://www.argn.com/2011/05/a_walk_through_westeros_retracing_the_maesters_pat h/

"....I think it’s time to give the series another read-through before A Dance With Dragons comes out July 12th."

For all you readers.

[QwentyJ]

What did everyone think of the latest episode?!

[Tribeman]

What did everyone think of the latest episode?!

best one so far, although I was hoping for a few scenes at the wall.

Then again, the fact that the episode stayed focused on only a few storylines in two locations was probably why it was so strong. Loved the conversation between the King and Queen. Was that in the books?

[Which Tyler]

best one so far, although I was hoping for a few scenes at the wall.

Then again, the fact that the episode stayed focused on only a few storylines in two locations was probably why it was so strong. Loved the conversation between the King and Queen. Was that in the books?
Nah, it's part of them changing Cersei's character a bit; I quite like the change personally.
As for storylines they skimped on last night, you should get a lot of the Dothraki next week; and wall either next week or the following (possibly both).

The story was always going to pick up around now; Cat taking Tyrion is a real turning point in the story; and they had to get as much scene-setting and character introduction in before then as they possibly could; won't be time for it from now on.
http://i.imgur.com/a1ZES.gif

[Waspy]

Yeah, it's all kicking off now. Next episode is titled A Golden Crown, so those of us whove read the books know what's coming next.

[MadAshton]

The Renly and Loras Tyrell scene made me LOL last night! The 'missus' loved it! ["It's about time for some man love, I hate the lesbo stuff they always have in rubbish like this" etc etc. Yes, I did reprimand her for calling Game of Thrones rubbish.]

I don't like what they've done with Cersai - she is supposed to be pure poison, but I've found myself really warming to her. Mr Bean was excellent, and I fully believe he is Ned Stark. Tyrion again stole the show, and Varys reminds me of Hwntw.

Best thing on TV.

[Matt]

Sucks that you have to wait a week for the next episode. Wish I had read the books !

[Cartman]

I was watching the Jacks so recorded it, City on tonight so I can't wait to watch it tomorrow. Really enjoyed it so far and it kills me to wait for the next episode.

[Tribeman]

http://i.imgur.com/a1ZES.gif

I could watch this for hours

[Waspy]

I could watch this for hours

The kid playing Joffrey is doing a superb job of making you absolutely detest him. Only problem is, he's doing such a good job of it, I'd probably have to restrain myself from giving him a slap if I met him in real life.

[Cartman]

Criminal. They should change to 2 or 3 times a week.

[Rayerker]

The portrayal of Cersei and Jaime frustrate me a lot, they are not nice and are not supposed to be warmed to or sympathized with this early in the books. Jaime only becomes a more sympathetic character after book 3 (IIRC).

[Surreydragon]

What did everyone think of the latest episode?!

That breast feeding was pretty disturbing.

[Which Tyler]

The portrayal of Cersei and Jaime frustrate me a lot, they are not nice and are not supposed to be warmed to or sympathized with this early in the books. Jaime only becomes a more sympathetic character after book 3 (IIRC).
these things happen in the transition to TV/film
You also have to bear in mind that in the first 2 books (I think it's 3 we start seeing a different side to him, not sure) we're only seeing his actions from the points of view of his enemies - they're hardly going to be flattering towards him.
I agree that Cersei is being portrayed much more sympathetically; which I suspect is fear of a feminist backlash. They're also still making sure she's extremely manipulative, and horrible character to "anyone who isn't us".

I'm not fond that they seem to be making Loras and Renly a bit wimp-y; but I'll hold off on that until we see more of them, I'm willing to allow that people can come across as more vulnerable in private with their loved ones. Squeamishness though...

[Cartman]

That breast feeding was pretty disturbing.

That 'orrible little creature suckling on the thing was much worse.

[Daihardfan]

The scene between Littlefinger and Vaerys was brilliant. I think the TV series has also done a better job with the Robert and Cersei relationship. Was the Renley and Knight of Flowers gay relationship that evident in the book because I don't really remember that at all?

[Which Tyler]

The scene between Littlefinger and Vaerys was brilliant. I think the TV series has also done a better job with the Robert and Cersei relationship. Was the Renley and Knight of Flowers gay relationship that evident in the book because I don't really remember that at all?
That relationship was about as obvious as it could be, given that neither had any Point of View chapters; nor did anyone particularly close to them.

[QwentyJ]

Ooh, it just gets better and better!

[Tribeman]

Ooh, it just gets better and better!

my thoughts exactly.

Sh*t is really hitting the fan now.

[Cartman]

I thought yesterdays was the least enjoyable so far which isn't knocking it, great way to finish though.

A question for the ones who have read the books, am I meant to hate the imp? I think he's great.

[Waspy]

I thought yesterdays was the least enjoyable so far which isn't knocking it, great way to finish though.

A question for the ones who have read the books, am I meant to hate the imp? I think he's great.

I think at this stage we're supposed to quite like him, but not trust him.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

I think at this stage we're supposed to quite like him, but not trust him.That's quite well done then, because I quite like him but wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Admittedly he's easier to throw than most, but that's still not far.

[QwentyJ]

Just annoyed myself vastly by reading one too many sentences on a wiki page trying to find out a bit more info on the episode. Spoilered myself basically.

[switchskier]

I think at this stage we're supposed to quite like him, but not trust him.

I thought yesterdays was the least enjoyable so far which isn't knocking it, great way to finish though.

A question for the ones who have read the books, am I meant to hate the imp? I think he's great.

Yeah he's meant to be interesting, charismatic but operating on his own moral compass. Don't know you're meant to especially like him but he's definatley meant to be one of the more complicated involved characters and he develops nicely too.

[Cartman]

That's quite well done then, because I quite like him but wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Admittedly he's easier to throw than most, but that's still not far.

Yep.

[WiganShark]

Well must say I think it's brilliant one of the best things on at the moment. Just bought the first book to take on hols. Thanks guys, glad I'm not the only one who loves :censored::censored::censored::censored: like this, loved the David Gemmell books as well as Tolkien.
Reading Jo Brand's Autobiography at the moment, love her, cracks me up.

[Which Tyler]

Warning from across the pond - Monday's episode might not be one to watch with the kids/parents. Apparently bordering on the pornographic - though coming from Americans, that might not mean much; but complaints about this episode seem much more common, and vociferous than others (aside from the gay BJ that wasn't shown, but that's to be expected).

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Warning from across the pond - Monday's episode might not be one to watch with the kids/parents. Apparently bordering on the pornographic - though coming from Americans, that might not mean much; but complaints about this episode seem much more common, and vociferous than others (aside from the gay BJ that wasn't shown, but that's to be expected).Excellent. There's not been that much shagging recently, just lots of plot development

[Cartman]

So you're telling us all to go out and buy a few boxes of mansize tissue?

[QwentyJ]

Warning from across the pond - Monday's episode might not be one to watch with the kids/parents. Apparently bordering on the pornographic - though coming from Americans, that might not mean much; but complaints about this episode seem much more common, and vociferous than others (aside from the gay BJ that wasn't shown, but that's to be expected).

Already seen it - it's not that pornographic!

[newgalesurf]

The scene between Littlefinger and Vaerys was brilliant. I think the TV series has also done a better job with the Robert and Cersei relationship. Was the Renley and Knight of Flowers gay relationship that evident in the book because I don't really remember that at all?

I was thinking this the other day. Sort of remember the conversation, but not in the same context. I am gonna go back and re read this section (if I can find it)

[Rayerker]

I was disappointed with the last episode really. I thought the fight in the earie was poorly done in comparison to how its described in the book (those who've read it will know what I mean) and I also thought they missed a trick in leaving out the sellsword (Brom?) negotiating a price with Tyrian before agreeing to represent him.

[Daihardfan]

I was disappointed with the last episode really. I thought the fight in the earie was poorly done in comparison to how its described in the book (those who've read it will know what I mean) and I also thought they missed a trick in leaving out the sellsword (Brom?) negotiating a price with Tyrian before agreeing to represent him.

I thought Tyrion's confession was funnier though. 'I took a honeycomb and donkey to a brothel and....'

[Rayerker]

I thought Tyrion's confession was funnier though. 'I took a honeycomb and donkey to a brothel and....'

That was funny. He's a terrific character.

[Cartman]

Oh FFS!!!!

And where was the imp?

[timmyspicyman]

Oooooooohhhhh. Wasn't expecting that!!!

[BrianMcShinner]

Certainly all kicked off tonight !!!

[QwentyJ]

Aiden Gillen in 'being deceitful bastard character' shocker!

[Tribeman]

poor old Ned... I can't help but feel things aren't going to end well :(

I loved the opening scene with Jaime and his father though. Great dialogue.

[Which Tyler]

poor old Ned... I can't help but feel things aren't going to end well :(

I loved the opening scene with Jaime and his father though. Great dialogue.
yep, good foreshadowing/analogy too.

Apologies for the porn warning - that really wasn't anything worth writing about, and quite possibly the least sexy lesbo scene I've ever seen.

Did anyone else think that Drogo was about to break into a haka?

[Nightynight]

yep, good foreshadowing/analogy too.

Apologies for the porn warning - that really wasn't anything worth writing about, and quite possibly the least sexy lesbo scene I've ever seen.

Did anyone else think that Drogo was about to break into a haka?

yep

[QwentyJ]

yep, good foreshadowing/analogy too.

Apologies for the porn warning - that really wasn't anything worth writing about, and quite possibly the least sexy lesbo scene I've ever seen.

Did anyone else think that Drogo was about to break into a haka?

I think I can make an educated guess about the Direwolf and puppies being linked with the Starks....

[whatisthejava]

Really enjoying it

Having not read the book I think that Ned Stark will join with the good looking blond lassie and the guy from Stargate to beat up the midgit family and then they will team up in a WWFesque tag team againstt the white walkers

By that time I will hagve lost interest and started watching TV X

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Aiden Gillen in 'being deceitful bastard character' shocker!Poor fecker has been typecast.


Did anyone else think that Drogo was about to break into a haka?Ah but before or after the anthems?

Edit: does anyone know if they've created a genuine language for the book/this or nicked Maori or if it's just gibberish?

[QwentyJ]

Poor fecker has been typecast.


Ah but before or after the anthems?

Edit: does anyone know if they've created a genuine language for the book/this or nicked Maori or if it's just gibberish?

Genuine language using a lingusticxs professor from Harvard I think. They did the same in 40 days of night with the Vampires.

[newgalesurf]

Really enjoying it

Having not read the book I think that Ned Stark will join with the good looking blond lassie and the guy from Stargate to beat up the midgit family and then they will team up in a WWFesque tag team againstt the white walkers

By that time I will hagve lost interest and started watching TV X

Keep watching and see. You should find out next week if you are right or not. If the pacing keeps up, there should be all sort of twists

[Doorzetbornandbred]

Its the best thing on the box at the moment by a mile.

Also has anyone read the other books that follow Game Of Thrones?Are they any good?

[newgalesurf]

Its the best thing on the box at the moment by a mile.

Also has anyone read the other books that follow Game Of Thrones?Are they any good?

Halfway through A Clash of Kings (Book 2 of the series). Doesn't disappoint

[Waspy]

Its the best thing on the box at the moment by a mile.

Also has anyone read the other books that follow Game Of Thrones?Are they any good?

If anything, the second and third (both parts) books are even better.

[switchskier]

Its the best thing on the box at the moment by a mile.

Also has anyone read the other books that follow Game Of Thrones?Are they any good?

Second and third are excellent, fourth is a little bit of a bridge book. The wait for the next one has some fanboys frothing at the mouth and there was only meant to be one more but he suddenly decided he had too much to fit in so it's going to be two. The books do get steadily more magical as you go through.

I always thought these would translate well. Martin started out writing for tv and the books reflect that, he leaves things openended whenever possible and I don't think he yet knows how it's going to end. I worry though that it's asking way too much for a tv audiences interest to be sustained for another 5 books worth.

[newgalesurf]

Really enjoying it

Having not read the book I think that Ned Stark will join with the good looking blond lassie and the guy from Stargate to beat up the midgit family and then they will team up in a WWFesque tag team againstt the white walkers

By that time I will hagve lost interest and started watching TV X

So how is it translating to someone who has not read the books. There is very little in the way of character introduction. I am having to explain to my wife who is who.

[Cartman]

So how is it translating to someone who has not read the books. There is very little in the way of character introduction. I am having to explain to my wife who is who.

I'm only just getting to know names myself now, it's been the queen, king, imp, Stark, annoying twat albino kid etc. A few of you mentioned names and I didn't have a clue who you were on about.

[newgalesurf]

I'm only just getting to know names myself now, it's been the queen, king, imp, Stark, annoying twat albino kid etc. A few of you mentioned names and I didn't have a clue who you were on about.

Think IMDB can be your friend here. Interesting appearance by Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister (and good technique in skinning a deer - not that I know this stuff)

[Eugene Wrayburn]

So how is it translating to someone who has not read the books. There is very little in the way of character introduction. I am having to explain to my wife who is who.It's enjoyable. I'm basically not worrying too much about names and nicknames, as long as i can follow the relationships.

[Rayerker]

Its the best thing on the box at the moment by a mile.

Also has anyone read the other books that follow Game Of Thrones?Are they any good?

They are good although the sheer number of characters and houses (as well as plot threads) means that I'd recommend you read them all through in one go rather than leaving time gaps between books.

[Stooo V2]

Phwoar loved episode 6. certainly a good way to crown off the episode.


Noticed Jerome Flynn as the guy who fought for the imp too.

[Tribeman]

Phwoar loved episode 6. certainly a good way to crown off the episode.


Noticed Jerome Flynn as the guy who fought for the imp too.

lol

[Which Tyler]

Its the best thing on the box at the moment by a mile.

Also has anyone read the other books that follow Game Of Thrones?Are they any good?
book 2 is better than book 1; books 3 & 3.5 are the best of the series so far. Book 4 is a little flat in comparison, but that's because it's only half a book (and half the characters, leaving the more interesting character arcs to book 5 - due out in July).

If you're going to start reading after this series has finished; I'd still advice to read book 1 - ok, you'll know where the story is going already, but there will be tonnes of stuff you'll have missed - it'll also give you a good clue-in to the author's writing style.



As for those having difficulty with the names, and who's related to whom - HBO is your friend; they've got a channel on youtube too - with all that sort of viewers' guide stuff in there. Don't try IMDB - too many book readers, too many spoilers, too many tw@s (though it's a fast moving board, so good if you've already read the things). Westeros.org is a better forum for non-readers as it's actually moderated, with separate areas for readers and non-readers.
Another option is to get the book(s), and there's an appendix at the back with character names and brief descriptions, accurate as of each character's introduction (therefore spoiler free).

[Waspy]

book 2 is better than book 1; books 3 & 3.5 are the best of the series so far. Book 4 is a little flat in comparison, but that's because it's only half a book (and half the characters, leaving the more interesting character arcs to book 5 - due out in July).

If you're going to start reading after this series has finished; I'd still advice to read book 1 - ok, you'll know where the story is going already, but there will be tonnes of stuff you'll have missed - it'll also give you a good clue-in to the author's writing style.


Agree with all that. A lot of characters from the books are merely extras in the TV series - Meryn Trant, Boros Blount - if you watch the TV series then read the second book, you'll be confused as hell.

[BigAl]

If you want to know how the story pans out read up on the history of the wars of the roses......

Of course you'll still have to work out who in Martin's work relates to which historical character and it isn't always obvious.

:)

[Tribeman]

does anybody know if its been renewed for a second season?

[QwentyJ]

does anybody know if its been renewed for a second season?

Yes.

[Doorzetbornandbred]

Ta to anyone who replied to me query,I'm reading the book as the series has been on always seem to be 1.5 episodes ahead of the show though.I will try and buy the other books once Ive read Game of Thrones.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

does anybody know if its been renewed for a second season?

It was basically renewed when the ratings came in for the first episode.

[Tribeman]

It was basically renewed when the ratings came in for the first episode.

excellent

[whatisthejava]

Just bough the book , read 50 pages last night and remarkedly similar to the TV show


I have no hols coming up so reckon I wont catch up the TV show up but there is 5 books to the series so I am hoping it doesn't go Philip Pullman esque and get really crap.

[Which Tyler]

Don't worry on that count; it gets better and better (book 4 aside, but that's understandable, and you should have 5 out by the time you get there; IIRC GRRM has suggested that those 2 books be read side-by-side; if so, it's possible he'll put some page number guides for splitting them on the interweb).

Tonight's episode was apparently screen-written by GRRM; so expect less sexposition, and more subtle nuance

[WaspInWales]

Downloading now...!

[whatisthejava]

A question to those that have read all of them

Is it like Pillars of the earth where the books is staged over 80 years or like The Dark Materials trilogy and based over a couple of months

[Waspy]

A question to those that have read all of them

Is it like Pillars of the earth where the books is staged over 80 years or like The Dark Materials trilogy and based over a couple of months

More like the latter, so far at least. It's difficult to tell, but I think the first 4 books seem to cover about a year or two.

[Which Tyler]

IIRC the 4th book ends about 3 years after the 1st starts.
Book 5 is supposed to be a massive overlap with book 4, with some added time-frame wise

[Tribeman]

the scene where Robb sends out all the ravens from Winterfell was magnificent, as was the finale with Ser Barristan.

I swear to god though, at the end of every single episode I always think to myself "they can't possibly make me hate the Lannisters (with the honorable exception of Tyrion) more than I do right now."

And in the following episode I am always proven wrong.

[Waspy]

I swear to god though, at the end of every single episode I always think to myself "they can't possibly make me hate the Lannisters (with the dishonorable exception of Tyrion) more than I do right now."

Corrected!

[Cartman]

the scene where Robb sends out all the ravens from Winterfell was magnificent, as was the finale with Ser Barristan.

I swear to god though, at the end of every single episode I always think to myself "they can't possibly make me hate the Lannisters (with the honorable exception of Tyrion) more than I do right now."

And in the following episode I am always proven wrong.

I've only noticed it since that dragon twat met his match, what's his name, Visceris or whatever?

[Doorzetbornandbred]

I've only noticed it since that dragon twat met his match, what's his name, Visceris or whatever?

Did anyone think that character was based on a poster on ere?I'll let you guess who I thought it reminded me of................

[Cartman]

Did anyone think that character was based on a poster on ere?I'll let you guess who I thought it reminded me of................
Does Paddy bully his little sister?

[Doorzetbornandbred]

Does Paddy bully his little sister?

Dunno but you obviously picked out characteristics they both share Carty.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

A question for anyone who's read the books. (I'm doing TV show first). You may need to PM me, so as to avoid spoilers for others.

*MINOR SPOILERS BELOW*


Did the fencing teacher, Syrio, die in that skirmish? or are we supposed to be unsure? I couldn't see the knight that chopped his sword in half at the ceremony at the end, yet I wasn't sure what they were trying to say with it. I got the impression that he was prepared to die to defend Arya.

[Waspy]

We don't know...

[QwentyJ]

Only 2 more episodes. :(

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

Only 2 more episodes. :(

I know, its the best thing on TV by a country mile at the moment (unless you are watching the wire re-runs on FX).

HBO have a nasty habit of leaving an age between seasons too, so that they can "get it right". The bastards.

[Waspy]

I know, its the best thing on TV by a country mile at the moment (unless you are watching the wire re-runs on FX).


...which I am indeed also doing!

Once GoT is over I think Dexter is back with a new series, as is Sons of Anarchy, so I'll cope.

Incidentally, I was asking on another forum about recommendations for books I might enjoy while waiting for the next GoT book, and was recommended the First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie. It was a good recommendation - the first book - The Blade Itself - is superb, combining all the politics and backstabbing of GoT with a nice line in black humour. So if you've read the GoT series and are bored of waiting for a Dance with Dragons, you might want to check it out.

[Surreydragon]

Starting to get a bit tedious, but will keep going with it.

[Cartman]

Starting to get a bit tedious, but will keep going with it.

I'm still loving it, I watched the 8 episodes on the trot the other day.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

As an aside, and without wanting to sound Pedo in any way, anyone think that the actors playing Goffrey and Arya are going to be pretty amazing actors in a few years, (not that they arent now).

[Tribeman]

As an aside, and without wanting to sound Pedo in any way, anyone think that the actors playing Goffrey and Arya are going to be pretty amazing actors in a few years, (not that they arent now).

I was thinking the same. It must have been tough to find kids who could handle the acting demands of the subject matter and are expected to do more than just be funny or cute. The kid playing Bran isn't half bad either.

Interestingly, Joffrey had appeared as an extra in one of the newer Batman films.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

I was thinking the same. It must have been tough to find kids who could handle the acting demands of the subject matter and are expected to do more than just be funny or cute. The kid playing Bran isn't half bad either.

Interestingly, Joffrey had appeared as an extra in one of the newer Batman films.

Yeah, he was the kid in Batman begins in the narrows who says "none of the other kids will believe me", before Bale tosses him a batviewstickperiscope thing. He's in it toward the end too, when the narrows become filled with gas and Katie Holmes is protecting him.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

I've got another question for those who've read the books.

Will the first series be the first book? As in, will the book and the series end at roughly the same point, or are they going to make 2 series per book. (There's only two episodes left, so I hope its fairly obvious).

[Waspy]

I've got another question for those who've read the books.

Will the first series be the first book? As in, will the book and the series end at roughly the same point, or are they going to make 2 series per book. (There's only two episodes left, so I hope its fairly obvious).

Yup, first series = first book, pretty much. I believe book 2 will be series 2, though they may need 13 episodes to do it justice. Book 3 was split into two parts, and it seems likely that it will be two separate series (assuming it gets recommissioned). Book 4 and the yet to be released book 5 will probably be merged together into 2 series (as they overlap - quite a few characters are missing from book 4, to have their stories filled in by book 5).

[BigAl]

If they follow the release path of the books you'll get season two/book two next. Then they'll re-release season 1 as two seasons and call them seasons 1 & 2 and then do the same with season 2. Then they'll release season 5. Then they'll go off and do something else.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

Great thanks. I want to start reading the books, but as I started on the TV show decided not to Spoiler myself.

Am loving this series.

[Cartman]

Great thanks. I want to start reading the books, but as I started on the TV show decided not to Spoiler myself.

Am loving this series.

The trailer for this one winds me up, it's a real teaser.

[Tribeman]

Bronn is rapidly becoming one of my favorite characters

[Matt]

The trailer for this one winds me up, it's a real teaser.

Yea tonight's looks awesome. Can't wait.

Out of interest can you watch it on sky player from 9pm when it is shown on Sky Atlantic on TV?

[Which Tyler]

Bronn is rapidly becoming one of my favorite characters
If you ever find yourself in danger of liking Bronn, just watch this, and consider yourself cured.
<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/xhAJ9qkMHOw" allowfullscreen="" width="480" frameborder="0" height="390"></iframe>

On skyplayer, you can watch it live, otherwise you have to wait the best part of 24 hours before it's available to download.

Books per series... depends on who you talk to as to what's expected. Series 1 is book 1; and series 2 will be book 2. It get's complicated from there.
Book 3 is about 1/2 again as long as the first 2 books (in the UK it was split into 2 for the paperback release), book 4 is pretty long too, and 5 is due to be the longest yet; whilst books 4 & 5 cover the same chronology, and are essentially one book, with split storylines, so in book 4 you don't see any of Rickon, Bran, Jon, Dany or Tyrion; whilst in book 5 you won't see anything much of anyone you were reading about in book 4 - a really weird way of doing things, and I gather, enforced by an impatient publisher, and even an even more impatient audience.
Personally, I suspect that
Season 1 = Book1
Season 2 = Book 2
Season 3 = 2/3 of Book 3
Season 4 = 1/3 of Book 3, 1/4 of Book 4 & 1/4 of Book 5
Season 5 = 3/8 of Book 4 & 3/8 of Book 5
Season 6 = 3/8 of Book 4 & 3/8 of Book 5

Ultimately though, it'll depend on how much money it makes. book 3 is a good stopping off point if it's disappointing, if they go beyond that, then I think we'll see them go to the bitter end of book 7 (or 8, depending on how accurate his predictions are). that decision will probably be made off the bat of the viewing figures for S2's premier, DVD/BR sales and whether the international broadcasters keep picking up the series.


For those wanting to read the books; we've only got another 7 days until the season finale; I've just started a re-read on book 1, because I'm unlikely to catch up to the series by the end of the show; then by season 2, my reading will have been far enough in the past to not spoil my enjoyment of the show.

[Cartman]

Yea tonight's looks awesome. Can't wait.

Out of interest can you watch it on sky player from 9pm when it is shown on Sky Atlantic on TV?

You may be able to watch it live, I'm pretty sure Atlantic is on there. It doesn't come on to on demand for about a week.

[Cartman]

Bronn is rapidly becoming one of my favorite characters

Which one is Bronn again? Is that the one who fought for Tyrian? Is that Jerome wossisname?

[mutski]

Found it a bit "meh" after two episodes and deleted the series link. Doesn't have the intrigue of Rome or the spectacle of LOTR. Read the book (first) btw

[Matt]

Will try and get it live then. Cheers guys.

[Cartman]

Found it a bit "meh" after two episodes and deleted the series link. Doesn't have the intrigue of Rome or the spectacle of LOTR. Read the book (first) btw

Gay rah, it appears you've forgotten your roots Northerner.

[mutski]

Gay rah, it appears you've forgotten your roots Northerner.

Only just watched Rome so perhaps that is too fresh in my memory. GOT doesn't really deliver on any front, imo. I do admit to taking increasing pleasure in disliking "popular" things though.... :f_smiley:

[Cartman]

Only just watched Rome so perhaps that is too fresh in my memory. GOT doesn't really deliver on any front, imo. I do admit to taking increasing pleasure in disliking "popular" things though.... :f_smiley:
I'd never heard of it until this started but I love it.

[Doorzetbornandbred]

I'd never heard of it until this started but I love it.

You must love it with colour TV as well Carty,thats what Muts problem is you see its all still b+w oop north.

[Cartman]

You must love it with colour TV as well Carty,thats what Muts problem is you see its all still b+w oop north.

It freaks my eyes out so I have to to take the colour off.

[Matt]

Tamping !!!! I hope it evens out in some way by the end of the series

[Cartman]

Well f*ck me sideways, wasn't expecting that.

[Surreydragon]

Well f*ck me sideways, wasn't expecting that.

No spoilers please!

[Cartman]

No spoilers please!

Sorry dude

[newgalesurf]

Well f*ck me sideways, wasn't expecting that.

Not seen this weeks yet, still on DVR but if you are talking about what I think you are talking about - yeah. Came as a shock in the book too.

I have had to be very careful on what I say to my wife in order to not give away anything. I usually just keep quiet, or answer who is who type questions (she keeps asking questions though)

[AJD]

Found it a bit "meh" after two episodes and deleted the series link. Doesn't have the intrigue of Rome or the spectacle of LOTR. Read the book (first) btw

did you like rome then?

ever find yourself pretending you are purefoy's mark antony?

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

wow, just wow. One week cannot come fast enough.

[mutski]

did you like rome then?

ever find yourself pretending you are purefoy's mark antony?

Rome was excellent, save the last couple of episodes where they naturally had to wrap things up with the fiction characters. Purefoy just got better and better - what a character to play though, the ultimate anti-hero imo.

GOT has neither Rome's level of back-stabbery and debauchery nor LOTR's epic scenery and battles. Leaves it a little flat, imo. I'm conscious that I'm alone in this view though, so I will leave this thread to those who do appreciate it! What a nice chap I am.....

[BigAl]

I'm conscious that I'm alone in this view though, so I will leave this thread to those who do appreciate it! What a nice chap I am.....

You're not, but then I thought the books a gargantuan waste of time.

[mutski]

You're not, but then I thought the books a gargantuan waste of time.

Quite liked the first but life is too short to read the rest!

[BigAl]

It was the ending of the first book that pissed me off.

sort of spoiler below

300 pages, or however long it was, to effectively reset the story.

[Waspy]

It was the ending of the first book that pissed me off.

sort of spoiler below


Er... no, not really. How is that even vaguely true?

[Waspy]

Great thanks. I want to start reading the books, but as I started on the TV show decided not to Spoiler myself.

Am loving this series.

Wrong way round. The books are far superior, so I'd suggest reading them before watching the TV series, so it doesn't spoiler the books for you.

[Mao Zedong]

Mao's critique.

Episode one - lots of titties.
Remaining episodes - far too few titties.

Overall - story progresses with the pace of a
http://www.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/7/75/Argentina-Perito_Moreno-Glacier.jpg&sa=X&ei=dkf3TcilBI-r8QPinM3KCw&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEatqCGESrlrBbOwTXc0bNBL2nU7w

[BigAl]

Er... no, not really. How is that even vaguely true?

Well it depends on which "Book 1" I suppose.

[Waspy]

Mao's critique.

Episode one - lots of titties.
Remaining episodes - far too few titties.

Overall - story progresses with the pace of a
http://www.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/7/75/Argentina-Perito_Moreno-Glacier.jpg&sa=X&ei=dkf3TcilBI-r8QPinM3KCw&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEatqCGESrlrBbOwTXc0bNBL2nU7w

Really? I thought it felt a bit rushed, like they were aiming it at people with short attention spans. Could have done with another 3-5 episodes

[Waspy]

Well it depends on which "Book 1" I suppose.

Book 1: A Game of Thrones. What other definition could there be?

[BigAl]

Book 1: A Game of Thrones. What other definition could there be?

The original Game of Thrones was subsequently re-released as two novels in part to cover Martin's writing block. So depending on which Game of Thrones you've read depends on where the ending is.

It's been ten years since the last peace of work that actually progresses the story was written although I believe "A Dance with Dragons" is due out today.

For what was originally conceived as a trilogy the new seven volume work seems to have got away from him a bit. However it appears there is a market for that sort of stuff. I recently saw an advert in Interzone for a new ten volume work of science fantasy set in the near future by an author completely unknown to me.

[Cartman]

Book 1: A Game of Thrones. What other definition could there be?

What's the 2nd one called so I know what to look out for when it's made.

[Which Tyler]

The original Game of Thrones was subsequently re-released as two novels in part to cover Martin's writing block. So depending on which Game of Thrones you've read depends on where the ending is.
You're the only person I've seen saying this. Are you sure you're not confusing things with a foreign language version? (which regularly get chopped up anyway). Or possibly book 3 - for which we got the paperback split into 2 volumes.
Oh, and I disagree with you on book 4; but hey, that's purely personal opinion.
What's the 2nd one called so I know what to look out for when it's made.
A Clash Of Kings

[BigAl]

You're the only person I've seen saying this.

Maybe, I have an original US first edition, and I later saw it in Borders UK as two seperate books.

[Which Tyler]

Maybe, I have an original US first edition, and I later saw it in Borders UK as two seperate books.
Out of interest - Amazon (.co.uk) knows nothing of this splitting for book 1. I can only think you saw book 3 split that way - I believe that was more to do with binding issues though (not to mention a chance to take your £7.50 twice), I have a feeling the hardcover was a single volume

[BigAl]

Out of interest - Amazon (.co.uk) knows nothing of this splitting for book 1. I can only think you saw book 3 split that way

I know what I have, it's called "Game of Thrones". It doesn't say on the cover that it's book one of anything, just Game of Thrones (no mention of Song of fire and ice on the cover). I later saw it as two seperate volumes.

It's a US imprint, not a UK imprint. Quite possibly never released here. Boy was I pissed when I got to the end and it said "continued in volume two of song of fire and ice"

[Waspy]

What's the 2nd one called so I know what to look out for when it's made.

The TV series will keep the title Game of Thrones, but the second book was a Clash of Kings.

[Waspy]

I know what I have, it's called "Game of Thrones". It doesn't say on the cover that it's book one of anything, just Game of Thrones (no mention of Song of fire and ice on the cover). I later saw it as two seperate volumes.

It's a US imprint, not a UK imprint. Quite possibly never released here. Boy was I pissed when I got to the end and it said "continued in volume two of song of fire and ice"

Er... volume two would be a Clash of Kings surely?

I've never heard anything about the first book (Game of Thrones) being split in two before.

[BigAl]

Obviously I'm mistaken in what's on the shelf in front of me. Thanks for clearing that up guys.....

[QwentyJ]

They can't kill Sharpe!!

[Which Tyler]

I know what I have, it's called "Game of Thrones". It doesn't say on the cover that it's book one of anything, just Game of Thrones (no mention of Song of fire and ice on the cover). I later saw it as two seperate volumes.

It's a US imprint, not a UK imprint. Quite possibly never released here. Boy was I pissed when I got to the end and it said "continued in volume two of song of fire and ice"

Obviously I'm mistaken in what's on the shelf in front of me. Thanks for clearing that up guys.....
So... the one on your shelf is a single volume, called Game of Thrones? well, that's fine, Game of Thrones is a single volume - that's what we're all saying.

You say that you've seen in split into 2 volumes - which you don't have on your shelf, and that's what we're disagreeing on. Unless you mean that you saw book 2 (of 4 so far, 5th out in July).

I'd also point out that at the time Game of Thrones was released, it wasn't the first part of anything - it was stand alone. The rest of the series hadn't been written yet.

Anyway

It seems like your beef with the book is that it was the first part of a series, and that you didn't realise that when you started; you therefore wouldn't have gotten the full story (nor have any of us yet), and wouldn't have had resolution on anything much. It seems a bit like watching Star Wars I - Phanton Menace - and wondering why it doesn't seem complete

[QwentyJ]

So, that scene in the first epidode, when Ned and the kids discover the dire-wolf and the pups....I'm guessing the dead dire-wolf represents Ned and the pups et al?

[Cartman]

So, that scene in the first epidode, when Ned and the kids discover the dire-wolf and the pups....I'm guessing the dead dire-wolf represents Ned and the pups et al?

You've confused me a little, which of his kids have died?

[Davesofthunder]

Just wanted to add my vote for how frakking awesome this series is.

I was shocked by the climax to the last episode but it sets things up for a proper :censored::censored::censored::censored:-fight now which should be fun.

I really should read the books

[Which Tyler]

So, that scene in the first epidode, when Ned and the kids discover the dire-wolf and the pups....I'm guessing the dead dire-wolf represents Ned and the pups et al?
The symbology is that the stag's death takes out the dire wolf; but that the pups survive.
Robert's death takes out Ned, but the kids survive - it's their story now.

Apparently there's a lot of foreshadowing in the books - I missed almost all of them when I read them - I've recently started my first re-read, so have picked a couple now.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

Guys, I've seen the latest episode, but in case others havent, could you put anything containing spoilers in white. I'd be fairly pissed if I got spoilered at this point.

[Which Tyler]

Guys, I've seen the latest episode, but in case others havent, could you put anything containing spoilers in white. I'd be fairly pissed if I got spoilered at this point.
Fair point, sorry, I was getting lazy because it's aired. No idea what protocol is on these things, but would consider it bad form to spoiler a film so soon after it's release.

[Cartman]

Guys, I've seen the latest episode, but in case others havent, could you put anything containing spoilers in white. I'd be fairly pissed if I got spoilered at this point.

Who posted spoilers? The best bet is not to look on the thread until you've seen it.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

Who posted spoilers? The best bet is not to look on the thread until you've seen it.

I know, just thinking of others, but on this page alone we are discussing a major characters death, that's a pretty big spoiler if you didn't see the last episode yet.

[Cartman]

I know, just thinking of others, but on this page alone we are discussing a major characters death, that's a pretty big spoiler if you didn't see the last episode yet.

I'm with you, I saw it on Monday so any mention must have gone over my head.

[BOB]

i know, just thinking of others, but on this page alone we are discussing a major characters death, that's a pretty big spoiler if you didn't see the last episode yet.

put it in white

[Surreydragon]

put it in white

Doesn't work for tapatalk.

[BOB]

Doesn't work for tapatalk.

I keep on meaning to get tapatalk
Is it any good?

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Really? I thought it felt a bit rushed, like they were aiming it at people with short attention spans. Could have done with another 3-5 episodesThis.

On the spoiler issue, I think it's fine to discuss an episode after it's been aired - that's kind of what the thread is for. People have been very good about not revealing what happens in the books.

[Which Tyler]

Does that mean I should put mine back in black?
Or should I compromise and use light grey?

[Surreydragon]

I keep on meaning to get tapatalk
Is it any good?

The best.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Does that mean I should put mine back in black?
Or should I compromise and use light grey?
I've been too scared to read it - I have never read the books - but if it's only about the last episode then I think it's fine.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

I've been too scared to read it - I have never read the books - but if it's only about the last episode then I think it's fine.

Yeah, I think that's a pretty good rule. As long as we know, we also know to avoid it if we havent seen it. Was just concerned.

By the way, a huge thanks to all those who have read the books and have not spoilered it for us.

[Which Tyler]

Back in black, and repeated here (was only spoilers for already-aired episodes):

The symbology is that the stag's death takes out the dire wolf; but that the pups survive.
Robert's death takes out Ned, but the kids survive - it's their story now.

Apparently there's a lot of foreshadowing throughout the books - I missed almost all of them when I read them - I've recently started my first re-read, so have picked a couple now.

[Cartman]

Back in black, and repeated here (was only spoilers for already-aired episodes):

What about Lady? Ned killed her instead of Aria's wolf.

[newgalesurf]

Yeah, I think that's a pretty good rule. As long as we know, we also know to avoid it if we havent seen it. Was just concerned.

By the way, a huge thanks to all those who have read the books and have not spoilered it for us.

Don't think you would have believed it if we had told you. I am having to do the same with my wife, just easier to say nothing.

Does anyone know if the Twins is a real location, or just some wood construction next to a dam. Looked reasonably convincing

[Which Tyler]

What about Lady? Ned killed her instead of Aria's wolf.
Well, he had to get rid of the direwolves for the girls going to Kingslanding - a. they'd take far too much explaining once there (not like Winterfell where it would widely know, and the people are that bit more practical / unrefined; besides, the Lord's word is law); b. (mild spoiler) the kids need to be left vulnerable, and having their own private guard-wolf would very much count against that
Besides; my point was the forseshadowing from the dead dire-wolf in episode 1, it doesn't mean that because the pups survived, that all the Stark kids will survive; if you want to read further into it, then I guess you could say that Lady's (unfair) death goes to show that no-one is safe, whether their death would be fair or not, and whether they're cute and fluffy, or not.
Don't think you would have believed it if we had told you. I am having to do the same with my wife, just easier to say nothing.

Does anyone know if the Twins is a real location, or just some wood construction next to a dam. Looked reasonably convincing
No idea, but quite possibly a real bridge, with some wooden set built at each end - possibly even CGId

[Matt]

By the way, a huge thanks to all those who have read the books and have not spoilered it for us.

Yep. Cheers all.

[Which Tyler]

Now that you've all thanked us for the lack of spoilers; does that mean you all want one last spoiler before the season finale?
mumble mumble HODOR hodor, mummble Hodor
Now go bust a bollock

[Cartman]

Well, he had to get rid of the direwolves for the girls going to Kingslanding - a. they'd take far too much explaining once there (not like Winterfell where it would widely know, and the people are that bit more practical / unrefined; besides, the Lord's word is law); b. (mild spoiler) the kids need to be left vulnerable, and having their own private guard-wolf would very much count against that
Besides; my point was the forseshadowing from the dead dire-wolf in episode 1, it doesn't mean that because the pups survived, that all the Stark kids will survive; if you want to read further into it, then I guess you could say that Lady's (unfair) death goes to show that no-one is safe, whether their death would be fair or not, and whether they're cute and fluffy, or not.

No idea, but quite possibly a real bridge, with some wooden set built at each end - possibly even CGId
Cute, fluffy and protective. One ripped a fellas throat out, another bit some horrid little :censored::censored::censored::censored:ers wrist, another bit some fellas fingers off and a different one attacked an already dead zombie type thing. I want one.

[Which Tyler]

Cute, fluffy and protective. One ripped a fellas throat out, another bit some horrid little :censored::censored::censored::censored:ers wrist, another bit some fellas fingers off and a different one attacked an already dead zombie type thing. I want one.
Try one of these Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Alsatian) bred specifically to match the bone and body structure or real (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_Wolf)dire wolves (yes, the things really did exist on this planet - though it's unlikely they were the size of a pony).

I want one

[Cartman]

Try one of these Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Alsatian) bred specifically to match the bone and body structure or real (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_Wolf)dire wolves (yes, the things really did exist on this planet - though it's unlikely they were the size of a pony).

I want one

I want a real one from GOT, not some fake alsatian.

[Which Tyler]

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/1kLSYTHQbm4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe src="http://videos.nymag.com/video/What-If-Game-of-Thrones-Was-a-B/player?layout=&title_height=24" frameborder="0" height="265" scrolling="no" width="316"></iframe>

[Stooo V2]

fwaaaarkin ell @ tonights episode.


Ell of a set of norks too.

[Prysiau]

Rome was excellent, save the last couple of episodes where they naturally had to wrap things up with the fiction characters. Purefoy just got better and better - what a character to play though, the ultimate anti-hero imo.

GOT has neither Rome's level of back-stabbery and debauchery nor LOTR's epic scenery and battles. Leaves it a little flat, imo. I'm conscious that I'm alone in this view though, so I will leave this thread to those who do appreciate it! What a nice chap I am.....

I started watching Rome after the second episode of GOT. Me and the missus had to stop watching GOT because there were too many similarities. Joffery is exactly the same character as Octavian. Everyone visits whorehouses. Incest is commonplace. Everyone's got their own little plans to claim the throne. There's even a dwarf in both shows.

Anyway, we finished Rome a week or so ago and finally caught up with GOT. Coincidentally we finished the penultimate episode of GOT at 9pm on the dot tonight.

I'd agree with you to an extent. But Rome was far, far too rushed for the entire second series. They wanted to go on for 4 or 5 seasons, but due to funding they had to cram everything into about 10 episodes. It was criminal really. It had the potential to be so much better than it was, but instead they had to shove half a series' worth of story into a single episode.

Game of Thrones I thought was a bit twee to begin with. But when it got darker I'd say it's comparable to (maybe not quite as good as) Rome.

Purefoy - totally agree. Mark Antony was the best character I think I've seen in any HBO drama.

[Tribeman]

I think while it's fair to say Joffrey and Octavian are similar characters in that they're both despicable, irritating, power hungry mamas boys with grating upper class English accents; the key difference seems to be that Octavian is cold, heartless and calculating whereas joffrey is emotionally unstable, violent and sadistic. Not to mention not very bright.

Rome was fantastic of course and I completely agree the second season needed to be much more fleshed out. The very last episode in particular felt like a huge letdown. I hope HBO are smart enough to give GoT the full run it deserves.

[Prysiau]

I want a real one from GOT, not some fake alsatian.

Eurgh. There's no such thing as an Alsatian. They're German Shepherds.

[Prysiau]

Jerome Flynn. Well I never.

I'd have never have recognised the old concrete jaw had you lot not said anything.

[QwentyJ]

Spring 2012....only half a year to go!

[whatisthejava]

Cracking last episode and a real "game changer" right at the death.

Cant wait for season 2 althoughugh I hope if they don't commision season 3 they end it properlly


Some cracking actors

Will be interesting to see what happens in season 2 , but generally the people you like (goodies) die by the boatload, and the baddies manage to survive (Lannisters)

[Surreydragon]

Dull last episode.

[Cartman]

Dull last episode.

Massively disappointing finale.

[Which Tyler]

Will be interesting to see what happens in season 2 , but generally the people you like (goodies) die by the boatload, and the baddies manage to survive (Lannisters)
I can't really think of anyone you really care about dying in book 2.
Mild Spoilers:
And by the end of book 4 the Lannisters are in at least as perilous a position as the Starks, though they are doing quite well at the end of book 2

[whatisthejava]

Massively disappointing finale.

I think they needed to wrap it up

But did feel a bit like LOTR 3 when we had about seven endings back to back

[Tribeman]

the last episode felt more like an epilogue to me, more there to set up what will happen in the next story arc than to give a definitive finale to the current one. I'd say the previous episode did that. I enjoyed it, but it did leave me wanting more as opposed to being satisfied (which I'm sure was the point)

[Eugene Wrayburn]

I wouldn't have expected a neat wrap up. I did expect cliff hangers of which there were plenty.

[Cartman]

I wouldn't have expected a neat wrap up. I did expect cliff hangers of which there were plenty.

Exactly the opposite for me see, every week so far I've been like a kid at christmas with the cliff hangers they've left. I was expecting torture while waiting for the 2nd series but after the way it finished I can wait quite easily.

[Waspy]

Exactly the opposite for me see, every week so far I've been like a kid at christmas with the cliff hangers they've left. I was expecting torture while waiting for the 2nd series but after the way it finished I can wait quite easily.

I think the cliffhangers at the end of the 1st book/series are quite long term ones. So you wnat to find out what happens next, but [spoilers] the dragons are clearly not doing anything massively significant in the immediate future, the war between the kings is set up to start in earnest, and Tyrion is just about to enter a rather new phase in his life. But none of it is an immediate cliffhanger like Ned's execution, or Bran being pushed out of the window, where you'd expect the repercussions to follow on directly.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

I'm probably going to read the books now. Can't wait until next year to find out what happens.

[WiganShark]

OK I'm hooked, I have the first book and my question is do I read it or exchange it for book 2, A Clash of Kings?
There seems to be more than enough on Game of Thrones website to avoid reading it and get straight into the second book, which I want to do but am I just being an impatient lazy twat?

[newgalesurf]

OK I'm hooked, I have the first book and my question is do I read it or exchange it for book 2, A Clash of Kings?
There seems to be more than enough on Game of Thrones website to avoid reading it and get straight into the second book, which I want to do but am I just being an impatient lazy twat?

Read the book. There is some background info that was glossed over in the series.

[BOB]

I just bought th ebook myself
The norks on that blonde bird feck me i would
A LOT & QUICKLY

[morepork]

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/151/34f/2f7/resized/tron-meme-generator-she-s-got-some-big-ass-tittays-44ebe0.jpg?1304625048.jpg

[Fix Swords!]

Yiz may all just hope that that the crowd that's chucking molotovs down the road don't torch any of the locations.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

Final episode felt more like the beginning of Series 2 than the end of Series 1. Personally I would have prefered them to play with the order of the books a little and make the Dragons hatching the last thing that happened right before ol Ned lost his ead, ending the series on a huge double cliffhanger.

Weak series finale for me, almost a shame after the rest of the episodes. Also, it made me realise how little I am invested in certain characters.

[Which Tyler]

OK I'm hooked, I have the first book and my question is do I read it or exchange it for book 2, A Clash of Kings?
There seems to be more than enough on Game of Thrones website to avoid reading it and get straight into the second book, which I want to do but am I just being an impatient lazy twat?
You'd probably be fine going straight to book 2; but you'd be missing a lot of background, detail and tertiary characters; but it shouldn't affect you too badly.
I'd still recommend reading book 1 first; it's a very easy read, especially once you've got a bit of background and can just read on through, rather than feeling you have to concentrate or miss things (when I read them I read quickly, and missed lots of subtle stuff; and got the feeling that I was, but was too impatient to see what happened next to care)

[Waspy]

OK I'm hooked, I have the first book and my question is do I read it or exchange it for book 2, A Clash of Kings?
There seems to be more than enough on Game of Thrones website to avoid reading it and get straight into the second book, which I want to do but am I just being an impatient lazy twat?

Definitely read the book, there was a lot they had to skip in the TV series. You have no idea who Thoros of Myr is, or Ser Boros Blount, Ser Balon Swann, the Blackfish... some of the many characters who were in the book but either missing or just extras in the TV series.

[Waspy]

Final episode felt more like the beginning of Series 2 than the end of Series 1. Personally I would have prefered them to play with the order of the books a little and make the Dragons hatching the last thing that happened right before ol Ned lost his ead, ending the series on a huge double cliffhanger.

Weak series finale for me, almost a shame after the rest of the episodes. Also, it made me realise how little I am invested in certain characters.

I wonder if that might be partly because they abandoned the POV style of the books. I'd much rather they had tried to stick with that, focusing on one or two characters an episode. With the books that really helped make you invested in each character in turn, and then you have to wait 5 or 6 chapters to return to them which really creates tension well.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

I wonder if that might be partly because they abandoned the POV style of the books. I'd much rather they had tried to stick with that, focusing on one or two characters an episode. With the books that really helped make you invested in each character in turn, and then you have to wait 5 or 6 chapters to return to them which really creates tension well.

Pretty huge spoilers if you havent seen series 1 yet below.

Having not read the books, it could well be that, but it could be a pitfall of TV as well.

Ned's storyline dominated everything, and the characters involved in that did. Robert's dead, Ned's dead, and Joffrey has kinda taken that focus, he's an irritating little twerp, but cant really carry it.

I couldnt care less about Robb Stark (The "King of the North") because in the first 7 or 8 episodes I doubt he racked more than five minutes screen time. (This will obviously change). And why he hasn't beheaded Jamie yet is beyond me.

Jon Snow's story is obviously just beginning, which makes me wonder why its had so much screen time so far.

Kahl Drogo was the only point of interest across the narrow sea, aside from the disgraced son (Who's name I cant think of) serving as the aide to ol Danerys. Now he's gone I think it will be hard for me to care about her either.

This is me at my most critical. Its still the best thing I've seen in ages, and I'm really nitpicking. The last episode and the first few just felt a bit...rushed.

[Waspy]

I've put in in white to help with spoilers. I've avoided spoiling anything beyond series 1.

Pretty huge spoilers if you havent seen series 1 yet below.

Having not read the books, it could well be that, but it could be a pitfall of TV as well.

Ned's storyline dominated everything, and the characters involved in that did. Robert's dead, Ned's dead, and Joffrey has kinda taken that focus, he's an irritating little twerp, but cant really carry it.

No love for the Imp? He's on his way to Kings Landing, on a mission to keep Joffrey and Cersei in line... you don't want to see how that pans out?

I couldnt care less about Robb Stark (The "King of the North") because in the first 7 or 8 episodes I doubt he racked more than five minutes screen time. (This will obviously change). And why he hasn't beheaded Jamie yet is beyond me.

Because the Lannisters have his sisters, to the best of his knowledge. Also because he's his father's son, and has too much honour to kill an unarmed prisoner.

Jon Snow's story is obviously just beginning, which makes me wonder why its had so much screen time so far.

Because we've learned about the threat of the wights, and seen several crucial parts of his story, including the split loyalties between the Watch and his family.

Kahl Drogo was the only point of interest across the narrow sea, aside from the disgraced son (Who's name I cant think of) serving as the aide to ol Danerys. Now he's gone I think it will be hard for me to care about her either.

This is me at my most critical. Its still the best thing I've seen in ages, and I'm really nitpicking. The last episode and the first few just felt a bit...rushed.

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

I've put in in white to help with spoilers. I've avoided spoiling anything beyond series 1.

Yes, quite a lot of love for the Imp actually. Forgot him. I have quite a lot of love for the infighting and politicking behinds the scenes at the court as well. I was being really really harsh above.

As I said, I am loving it, but those are the bits I'd imagine are done a lot better in the books. Which I'll be starting this week.

[Waspy]

Yes, quite a lot of love for the Imp actually. Forgot him. I have quite a lot of love for the infighting and politicking behinds the scenes at the court as well. I was being really really harsh above.

As I said, I am loving it, but those are the bits I'd imagine are done a lot better in the books. Which I'll be starting this week.

Yeah, I think it's all done better in the books.

[Prysiau]

Started the books today. So far so good, there hasn't been much deviation from the books so far - only a couple of minor differences. In the book Ned treats Robert with more respect because he's King.

In the adaptation the first thing he does is call him a fat bastard.

[Doorzetbornandbred]

Started the books today. So far so good, there hasn't been much deviation from the books so far - only a couple of minor differences. In the book Ned treats Robert with more respect because he's King.

In the adaptation the first thing he does is call him a fat bastard.

You call h and Carty that as well though,dont you respect them?

[Cartman]

Started the books today. So far so good, there hasn't been much deviation from the books so far - only a couple of minor differences. In the book Ned treats Robert with more respect because he's King.

In the adaptation the first thing he does is call him a fat bastard.

Not in so many words, Robert tells Ned he's got fat and Ned looks down at Roberts gut.

[Which Tyler]

OK thrones fans - what were your 3 favourite scenes from the series?

Here's some suggestions:

The prologue
"What happened? Didn't you know where to stick it?"
"You're fat"
WTF? aren't they TWINS?!?
"The things I do for love"
The bitch-slapping Imp
"Stick 'em with the pointy end"
"You're not supposed to be here; no-one's supposed to be here" "Woof"
"Sweet summer child, what do you know of fear?.."
"Ah yes, Bessy - gods bless Bessy, and her tits"
Tyrion killing a bandit with a pointy shield
"I once brought a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel"
Skinning a Stag
"Bronn, son of..." "You wouldn't know him"
King of the North
Arya's first dancing lesson
Arya's last dancing lesson
Littlefinger vs Varys - part I
Littlefinger vs Varys - part II
Robert, Barristan & Jaime swapping war stories
Mountain that no-longer rides
"Play with her arse"
Ned & Jory vs Jaime and henchmen
Septa Morgane's sacrifice
"Holy shat, they killed Neddy"
Arya meets Gendry
Sansa preparing to shove Joffrey
Pycelle's gymnastics
The golden crown
Drogo's Haka
You make in incision here, and rip the throat through the hole
Here be dragons

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

3 Favourites. (in chronological order).

Jamie pushing Bran out of the window. I didn't see it coming and it really grabbed my attention.
Finally seeing Kahl Drogo fight. Pity we only got to see him in action once, was looking forward to watching him fight someone cool. Nice tongue rip too.
Ned loses his head. Obvious really. The stand out moment of series 1.


Noteable others.

The blue-eyed things at the start.
Littlefinger talking to the two sluts.
Tyrion confessing his crimes.

Jorah deserves an honorable mention too.

[Rayerker]

Nobody mentions Dany emerging from the bath as their favourite moment? Philistines.

[Tribeman]

Tywin's stag-skinning scene
Tyrion, Bronn and Shae's drinking game
All the tournament bits
Joffrey showing Ned's head to Sansa. Painful viewing, but very well-done and did a good job of illustrating just how dark the story seems to be getting
Arya's wolf attacking Joffrey
Sir Allisser telling Jon and Sam about having to resort to cannibalism

Also, while it was only a short scene, the part where Robb receives the letter about his fathers imprisonment and you get the shot of all the Ravens leaving Winterfell was very cool.

Bronn, Tyrion, Arya, Littlefinger, Joffrey and Tywin were pretty much always scene stealers

[Cartman]

Tyrion/Tyrian slapping Joffrey
Tyrion/Tyrian confessing his sins
Neds head

[Waspy]

Can't believe I have to wait nearly a year for the next series, but at least the next book is out next month.

[Rayerker]

Can't believe I have to wait nearly a year for the next series, but at least the next book is out next month.

Bout time. Then there's only 3 months til the final Wheel of time book!! That is an event to which I am counting the days.

[newgalesurf]

Bout time. Then there's only 3 months til the final Wheel of time book!! That is an event to which I am counting the days.

I have to go and buy book 10. Can't believe I almost caught up.

[Rayerker]

I have to go and buy book 10. Can't believe I almost caught up.

Its worth it honestly. Although books 9 and 10 are painful for the first 200 odd pages in their scene settings, books 11, 12 and 13 were excellent in fact the last two 12 and 13 were spectacular.

[newgalesurf]

Its worth it honestly. Although books 9 and 10 are painful for the first 200 odd pages in their scene settings, books 11, 12 and 13 were excellent in fact the last two 12 and 13 were spectacular.

Yeah, found book 9 hard going. Not much seemed to happen for long periods of time.

[switchskier]

Magarey's been cast for season two.

http://www.perfectpeople.net/photo-picture-image-media/Natalie-Dormer-843x1024-183kb-media-9908-media-130250-1200796110.jpg

[Prysiau]

I look forward to seeing her rat.

[bilston]

I look forward to seeing her rat.

If you get impatient in the meantime, watch the Tudors.

[MadAshton]

Magarey's been cast for season two.

http://www.perfectpeople.net/photo-picture-image-media/Natalie-Dormer-843x1024-183kb-media-9908-media-130250-1200796110.jpg
MadAshton approved!!!!

[QwentyJ]

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/953490/game_of_thrones_season_2_casting_underway.html

Christopher Eccleston and Gerard Butler rumoured for Stannis Baratheon.

Other rumours:

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/06/28/game-of-thrones-season-two-dream-casting/

[Waspy]

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/953490/game_of_thrones_season_2_casting_underway.html

Christopher Eccleston and Gerard Butler rumoured for Stannis Baratheon.

Other rumours:

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/06/28/game-of-thrones-season-two-dream-casting/

Definitely prefer Eccleston for that role!

[Tre]

I'm probably going to read the books now. Can't wait until next year to find out what happens.

Same here. I started book 1 after seeing the end of the 1st series. The book is even better than the series. No way I'll be able to wait until series 2 finishes before reading book 2.

Daenerys is 13 tho! Cor Blimey.

[Tribeman]

I know Renly is the youngest Baratheon brother, but is Stannis older or younger than Robert was?

[Waspy]

I know Renly is the youngest Baratheon brother, but is Stannis older or younger than Robert was?

Younger.

[Prysiau]

Same here. I started book 1 after seeing the end of the 1st series. The book is even better than the series. No way I'll be able to wait until series 2 finishes before reading book 2.

Daenerys is 13 tho! Cor Blimey.

Aye, I did exactly the same (and thought the same after reading the bit about Dany getting smashed about the park on her "fourteenth name day").

They don't mention that bit in the programme...

I suppose they could always get around it by not specifying how long you get in between a "name day". I mean, they don't appear to have regular seasons so how long is their standard "year"?

[Which Tyler]

Aye, I did exactly the same (and thought the same after reading the bit about Dany getting smashed about the park on her "fourteenth name day").

They don't mention that bit in the programme...

I suppose they could always get around it by not specifying how long you get in between a "name day". I mean, they don't appear to have regular seasons so how long is their standard "year"?
everyone was aged up for the show (except Theon).
The kids were basically all aged up by 2-3 years; so Dany's 13 became 16 (with an actress aged 25/26) Rob and Jon's 14 became 17; Sansa's 11 became 13/14 (hence the personality change from naive to stroppy); Arya's 9 became 12; Bran's 8 became 11; Rickon's 3 became 6; Joffrey's 13 became 15; Robert Arryn's 6 became 8.
Even the adults were aged up; Cersei&Jaime's 31 became 38-39; Ned's 34 became ~50 etc etc.
Mostly done to fit modern-day sensibilities (our life expectancy is approximately doubled over medieval-era; the idea of a 14 year old war-lord commanding respect and devising his own battle plans; the idea of 13 year old being essentially raped by her husband, or a 9 year old doing... what Arya ends up doing). Apparently GRRM has said he'd have aged the kids older if he was writing the novels again; especially now that he's ditched his intended 5 year gap.


TBH none of the kids act their stated ages in the books either - so I'd kinda assumed that in the absence of regular seasons, they didn't have the same length of year as we do; so had always mentally added about 20% to any stated ages (except the old fogies who go on forever, I'd made that, that they'd simply forgotten, and guessed)

[Prysiau]

everyone was aged up for the show (except Theon).
The kids were basically all aged up by 2-3 years; so Dany's 13 became 16 (with an actress aged 25/26) Rob and Jon's 14 became 17 (with actors in their mid-20s); Sansa's 11 became 13/14 (hence the personality change from naive to stroppy); Arya's 9 became 12; Bran's 8 became 11; Rickon's 3 became 6; Joffrey's 13 became 15; Robert Arryn's 6 became 8.
Even the adults were aged up; Cersei&Jaime's 31 became 38-39; Ned's 34 became ~50 etc etc.
Mostly done to fit modern-day sensibilities (our life expectancy is approximately doubled over medieval-era; the idea of a 14 year old war-lord commanding respect and devising his own battle plans; the idea of 13 year old being essentially raped by her husband, or a 9 year old doing... what Arya ends up doing). Apparently GRRM has said he'd have aged the kids older if he was writing the novels again; especially now that he's ditched his intended 5 year gap.

I noticed Bran's 10 rather than 8. But what I mean is how long is a year? There are no regular seasons so do we assume that their years are as long as ours? What's to say an 8 year-old from the book isn't a 12 year-old as we'd know it?

And is a name-day the same as a birthday? Or do they not name their kids until a while after birth?

Genuine question, I've only read the first book - I don't know if it's something that's explained later on.

[Which Tyler]

It's never stated; hence my reading assumptions above

[Tre]

Don't they measure years somehow? I might be wrong but I thought I'd read something about the summer having lasted 7 years or something.

Then again, they ask the Imp on the way to the wall how many winters he's seen and it's something like 4.

[Prysiau]

Don't they measure years somehow? I might be wrong but I thought I'd read something about the summer having lasted 7 years or something.

Then again, they ask the Imp on the way to the wall how many winters he's seen and it's something like 4.

Stars, maybe.

[Which Tyler]

Don't they measure years somehow? I might be wrong but I thought I'd read something about the summer having lasted 7 years or something.

Then again, they ask the Imp on the way to the wall how many winters he's seen and it's something like 4.
yes, they do, but we're not sure how (maybe they just count the days, and call it a year after 400 of them. They haven't always had weird seasons, so it's possible that they do know how long a year is supposed to be; though I doubt that most would have any access to it)

[QwentyJ]

Definitely prefer Eccleston for that role!

This show needs:

http://lacithedog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nm00013141.jpg

[Waspy]

This show needs:

http://lacithedog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nm00013141.jpg

You are so right! I believe he ought to be available at the moment. Best thing in Spartacus.

Who would he be though? Roose Bolton? One of the wildlings? A Greyjoy? Or Stannis?

[QwentyJ]

You are so right! I believe he ought to be available at the moment. Best thing in Spartacus.

Who would he be though? Roose Bolton? One of the wildlings? A Greyjoy? Or Stannis?

I've not read the books, but from the way Stannis is described, I reckon it could be him. Though the talk of Gerry Butler I thought was quite good. Certainly, they might like a big name for the 2nd series. They could fit in John Hannah anywhere. Frankly, it seems like the perfect series for British actors to use as a showcase for their talents. I'm hald expecting to see Kevin McKidd!

[Daihardfan]

I've not read the books, but from the way Stannis is described, I reckon it could be him. Though the talk of Gerry Butler I thought was quite good. Certainly, they might like a big name for the 2nd series. They could fit in John Hannah anywhere. Frankly, it seems like the perfect series for British actors to use as a showcase for their talents. I'm hald expecting to see Kevin McKidd!

Stannis is a 'cold fish' of a character. That's why Renley gets so much support. Stannis is very uptight, strict and mostly suppressed anger. Shouty actors will not work.

[Doorzetbornandbred]

Ross Kemp is alleged to have signed up as some warlord.

[Rayerker]

It's almost shameful how long this thread has gone since there has been a pic of Dani.


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQltP9v_IUUcnCANXbqAr5b3JVgR6RrI 7X9L80YXk-tVDxATVjv5Q

[bilston]

Game of Thrones were advertising for Extras for Season 2 in the local media here in Belfast last week. I think they were particularly looking for women with long hair aged 35-65. I think anyone interested were asked to turn up today.

[Waspy]

Ross Kemp is alleged to have signed up as some warlord.

Oh god, no. Could they not find an actor?

[Which Tyler]

Ross Kemp is alleged to have signed up as some warlord.
Is that from the same people claiming Gerard Butler as Stannis (oh, and Mel Gibson as Stannis; Ross Kemp as Stannis, Chris Ecclestone as someone who's still a main character in 5 seasons' time - that'd be Stannis then; oh, and Martin Freeman as Stannis - on his weekends away from Hobbit filming)

[Tom]

Is that from the same people claiming Gerard Butler as Stannis (oh, and Mel Gibson as Stannis; Ross Kemp as Stannis, Chris Ecclestone as someone who's still a main character in 5 seasons' time - that'd be Stannis then; oh, and Martin Freeman as Stannis - on his weekends away from Hobbit filming)

IMBD allowing anyone to update it seems.

Apparently, Butler isn't going to be involved.

[Which Tyler]

I know - but I've seen it repeated since being revealed as a hoax, and not just on message boards.
All those I mentioned have been "rumoured" (as opposed to "speculated" or "wish-list"ed) all will be proven "bollox"

[The_Welsh_Idiot]

Ummm, some of us are at work. Can we take the Pic down?

[Surreydragon]

Ummm, some of us are at work. Can we take the Pic down?

Can it stay up until I get home?