The beautiful words and images thread, reborn

[Tnébreux]

I just realised with horror that our beloved "beautiful words and images" thread had disappeared in the latest cull of inactive threads. As we cannot possibly live without it (even though Tigs has wisely set a similar one in the Baa-baas board), I am re-creating one.

And I am going to start with some seasonal words, and image.

http://www.fineartscreensavers.com/wall/great/wall/Hunters_in_the_Snow_(Bruegel)_1024x768.jpg



As you like it (II,7)

...Blow, blow, thou winter wind.
Thou art not so unkind
As man’s ingratitude;
Thy tooth is not so keen,
Because thou art not seen,
Although thy breath be rude.
Heigh-ho! sing, heigh-ho! unto the green holly:
Most friendship is feigning, most loving mere folly:
Then, heigh-ho, the holly!
This life is most jolly.
Freeze, freeze, thou bitter sky,
That dost not bite so nigh
As benefits forgot:
Though thou the waters warp,
Thy sting is not so sharp
As friend remember’d not.
Heigh-ho! sing, heigh-ho! unto the green holly:
Most friendship is feigning, most loving mere folly:
Then, heigh-ho, the holly!
This life is most jolly.

William Shakespeare

[Shopsoiled]

Winter
Shakespear
loved this as a child
WHEN icicles hang by the wall
And Dick the shepherd blows his nail,
And Tom bears logs into the hall,
And milk comes frozen home in pail;
When blood is nipt, and ways be foul, 5
Then nightly sings the staring owl
Tu-whoo!
Tu-whit! tu-whoo! A merry note!
While greasy Joan doth keel the pot.

When all around the wind doth blow, 10
And coughing drowns the parson's saw,
And birds sit brooding in the snow,
And Marian's nose looks red and raw;
When roasted crabs hiss in the bowl—
Then nightly sings the staring owl 15
Tu-whoo!
Tu-whit! tu-whoo! A merry note!
While greasy Joan doth keel the pot.

[Shopsoiled]

Le Grande Motte Tignes
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/oconnoradrian/GrandeMotteGlacier.jpg

[tigran]

Is there no way to recover it ?

[tigran]

http://arts.anu.edu.au/polsci/courses/pols1005/2007/Images/Picasso.Guernica2.jpg

[switchskier]

Le Grande Motte Tignes
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/oconnoradrian/GrandeMotteGlacier.jpg

There used to be a face a little further down the mountain that was just glorious each year. Not too hard, not too much hiking and a natural bowl that collected so much soft powdery snow. One of my all-time favourite places in teh world.

Then the bastards pisted it.

[Tnébreux]

Is there no way to recover it ?

There probably is, but it would involve quite a bit of work by Hammy, and I am reluctant to ask that from him. After all, it was up to us to keep it alive; that is even why I hadn't made it sticky, thinking that if we let it disappear, maybe it's not so indispensable after all.

I think it's more fun to start back from scratch and rebuild it bigger and better than before!

[Goesten]

I've got 3 art prints in my new room.

A little aquarel of Bayonne, and these three below:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n258/secretscausesuicide/The_Hallucinogenic_Toreador.jpg

http://images.worldgallery.co.uk/i/prints/rw/lg/2/0/Claude-Monet-Garden-Path--Giverny-207134.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Hope_in_a_Prison_of_Despair.jpg

[Shopsoiled]

There used to be a face a little further down the mountain that was just glorious each year. Not too hard, not too much hiking and a natural bowl that collected so much soft powdery snow. One of my all-time favourite places in teh world.

Then the bastards pisted it.

There use to be a place in Tignes further over called "le spot" a slow rickety 2 person lift took you up the valley and the run back was always untoutched Huge moguls and lots of steep soft pitches' Worth sitting on the chair lift for 15 mins

[tigran]

There use to be a place in Tignes further over called "le spot" a slow rickety 2 person lift took you up the valley and the run back was always untoutched Huge moguls and lots of steep soft pitches' Worth sitting on the chair lift for 15 mins

Guys this is a thread about art.

you have the barbarians board for this kind of "nature", or you can open a thread about it in the FMB too.

But keep this place for your art posting.

Unless Tnébreux feels it can be a place for that too..

[Shopsoiled]

Guys this is a thread about art.

you have the barbarians board for this kind of "nature", or you can open a thread about it in the FMB too.

But keep this place for your art posting.

Unless Tnébreux feels it can be a place for that too..

Sorry, but L'Espace Killy is a beautiful place

[tigran]

Sorry, but L'Espace Killy is a beautiful place

Surely but is it art ?

[Shopsoiled]

Surely but is it art ?

Mmmm well some of the pictures posted on the old thread were just nice photo''s. I'd say our mistake was to get into a discussion about psistes it wont happen again;)

[Tnébreux]

Well, to be honest, the title of the thread only speaks of "beautiful images". But it's true art was what I had in mind when I started (and re-started) the thread. Including photos, of course.
Like this one, by Manuel Alvarez Bravo:

http://www.langhansgalerie.cz/data/488_1203506478.jpg

[baobob]

Surely but is it art ?

you right Tig, Tignes is nothing to do
with art. only Flaine could be consider like this cos
of the sculpture of Bubuffet and stuff of picasso inside the station.
And whatever Tignes is a resort for average skiers(tourist resort).
anyone who want to ride goes to la grave, la clusaz or chamonix.

[Shopsoiled]

you right Tig, Tignes is nothing to do
with art. only Flaine could be consider like this cos
of the sculpture of Bubuffet and stuff of picasso inside the station.
And whatever Tignes is a resort for average skiers(tourist resort).
anyone who want to ride goes to la grave, la clusaz or chamonix.

The BauHaus of Flaine:f_2biggrin:
I'd hate to get into a discussion about the relative merits of french ski resorts on this thread but i'd love it if someone wanted to start one elsewhere;)

[baobob]

The BauHaus of Flaine:f_2biggrin:
I'd hate to get into a discussion about the relative merits of french ski resorts on this thread but i'd love it if someone wanted to start one elsewhere;)

elsewhere? yes why not.
But anywhere it goes it will not a popular one.
as I am concern, I'm from haute savoie and skiing every week
during the season(mean 40 or 50 days per season).
and it's not a secret that Savoie is made for tourist
and Haute savoie for reel skiers.

[Shopsoiled]

elsewhere? yes why not.
But anywhere it goes it will not a popular one.
as I am concern, I'm from haute savoie and skiing every week
during the season(mean 40 or 50 days per season).
and it's not a secret that Savoie is made for tourist
and Haute savoie for reel skiers.

Look your making me mad now. I'd cut my right hand off to ski that much each season I'll be in Val Thorens for ne year. For a mixed group and for a week only Val D'Isere is a good comprise. we were in Argentiere 2 years ago and missed 3 days due to bad weather. Le Garve is too harsh for my youngest and my wife lol
I'd be more than interested in taking your advice though

[baobob]

Look your making me mad now. I'd cut my right hand off to ski that much each season I'll be in Val Thorens for ne year. For a mixed group and for a week only Val D'Isere is a good comprise. we were in Argentiere 2 years ago and missed 3 days due to bad weather. Le Garve is too harsh for my youngest and my wife lol
I'd be more than interested in taking your advice though

I'd like to give advices, Shopsoiled.
Just need to know what you are looking for.
I am doing freeride then haute savoie is a better
choice for me(and it's close from my place).
and the most important is that I know very well
where I'm going to.very important in off pist if
you don't want to die.Especially this year with all
this snow falling.
I can understand that if you have young kids and wife
it's not really important whenever you go.

[baobob]

Look your making me mad now. I'd cut my right hand off to ski that much each season I'll be in Val Thorens for ne year. For a mixed group and for a week only Val D'Isere is a good comprise. we were in Argentiere 2 years ago and missed 3 days due to bad weather. Le Garve is too harsh for my youngest and my wife lol
I'd be more than interested in taking your advice though

I love Argentiere. I usually go in the begining may for the freeride days.
Great party for closing.

[Shopsoiled]

I'd like to give advices, Shopsoiled.
Just need to know what you are looking for.
I am doing freeride then haute savoie is a better
choice for me(and it's close from my place).
and the most important is that I know very well
where I'm going to.very important in off pist if
you don't want to die.Especially this year with all
this snow falling.
I can understand that if you have young kids and wife
it's not really important whenever you go.

Thanks We skie at Xmas as a big group posibley 15 and mixed so last year we went to verbier and some of us had of piste touring and others crused around. Some years we go just as a family and like lot of mileage for my son and me trees and some challenging stuff Love open bowls etc. Stayed in Flaine one easter and the sking was as good as anywhere else I've been.
Been to La Clusaz in summer lovely beautiful place snow record is a bit dodgy . Would like to try Avoriaz posibley. Been to Meribel before and though I like the three valleys it's less challenging than Killy.

[tigran]

Gentlemen..I'm asking you with beautiful words (for now) ..

Why don't you open a thread about that skying affair ? Hmm ?

[switchskier]

Sorry Tig, does this count

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/41/95674742_437063a39b.jpg?v=0

[tigran]

:f_2biggrin: i'm not that obsessional, and it's Tnébreux to answer that..

[baobob]

Sorry Tig, does this count

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/41/95674742_437063a39b.jpg?v=0

tigne, always tigne.

[switchskier]

tigne, always tigne.

Ok Bob La Clusaz

http://guilmo.free.fr/photos/1024_03.jpg

[baobob]

Ok Bob La Clusaz

http://guilmo.free.fr/photos/1024_03.jpg

great. it could be me!!!!

[baobob]

Ok Bob La Clusaz

http://guilmo.free.fr/photos/1024_03.jpg

yes, La Balme, great spot.
I'm skiing there everyweek.

[baobob]

just to tell you that La clusaz is one of the best spot
in the alps. and the only resort in france who get world champions
in any disciplines of ski.that's why my little girl gonna the next
world champion cause she's the best at her age in Haute Savoie.
Regionale champion of the less of 4 years old.(she's only 18 month!!!)

[baobob]

another day full of snow in Annecy.
this year gonna be the "year'.
2 meters of snow this last week, that's amazing.

[baobob]

let me introduce my friend Candide Thovex. the best ever.

http://62.img.v4.skyrock.net/625/caddy01/pics/630224241_small.jpg

[switchskier]

Only ever skied La Clusaz in Arpil when most of the snow was gone. You could see the potential though. Candide is immense (it's a pic of him in the one I posted) but he's definatley been caught by some of the young guns. One of my aims though is to go watch the Candide Invitational in La Clusaz one year. I'm very jealous of you my friend. Do you live in Annency?
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_P9SHrzp5nq0/SHOdChKiOtI/AAAAAAAABLg/UZw_LmiUYZ4/IMG_0103.JPG

[Shopsoiled]

Only stayed in Annecy in the summer climbed La Tournette stunning mountain
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/38/83325288_c54d65e6ec.jpg?v=0

[Shopsoiled]

Paul Cezanne Le Lac Bleu (Annecy)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Cezanne_annecy.jpg

[Shopsoiled]

Friend of mine has been recording with this young French lad He's on piano and he reckons the lad has a sensational voice They have eprformed a few time in Paris
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[Tnébreux]

I won't leave before making sure this threads prospers a bit...


He bids his beloved be at peace

I hear the Shadowy Horses, their long manes a-shake,
Their hoofs heavy with tumult, their eyes glimmering white;
The North unfolds above them clinging, creeping night,
The East her hidden joy before the morning break,
The West weeps in pale dew and sighs passing away,
The South is pouring down roses of crimson fire:
O vanity of Sleep, Hope, Dream, endless Desire,
The Horses of Disaster plunge in the heavy clay:
Beloved, let your eyes half close, and your heart beat
Over my heart, and your hair fall over my breast,
Drowning love's lonely hour in deep twilight of rest,
And hiding their tossing manes and their tumultuous feet.

William Butler Yeats

[tigran]

http://i.pbase.com/g4/21/445521/2/59364543.20050823_Armenia_3823copy.jpg

[Tnébreux]

A famous poem (well, at least the title is famous) that I never posted here, and always wanted to:

O Captain My Captain

O Captain my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
The ship has weathered every rack, the prize we sought is won,
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.

O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up--for you the flag is flung for you the bugle trills,
For you bouquets and ribboned wreaths for you the shores a-crowding,
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head!
It is some dream that on the deck,
You've fallen cold and dead.

My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still;
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;
The ship is anchored safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;
From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
But I, with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.

Walt Whitman

[Tnébreux]

These two excerpts I have already posted, but they are truly beautiful, and a bit topical:

Stopping by woods on a snowy evening

...The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

Robert Frost



Le Voyage

...Ô Mort, vieux capitaine, il est temps! levons l'ancre!
Ce pays nous ennuie, ô Mort! Appareillons!
Si le ciel et la mer sont noirs comme de l'encre,
Nos coeurs que tu connais sont remplis de rayons!

Verse-nous ton poison pour qu'il nous réconforte!
Nous voulons, tant ce feu nous brûle le cerveau,
Plonger au fond du gouffre, Enfer ou Ciel, qu'importe?
Au fond de l'Inconnu pour trouver du nouveau!

Charles Beaudelaire


The voyage

...O Death, old captain, it is time! let's weigh anchor!
This country wearies us, O Death! Let us set sail!
Though the sea and the sky are black as ink,
Our hearts which you know well are filled with rays of light

Pour out your poison that it may refresh us!
This fire burns our brains so fiercely, we wish to plunge
To the abyss' depths, Heaven or Hell, does it matter?
To the depths of the Unknown to find something new!"

Charles Baudelaire

[Tnébreux]

http://blogs.jsonline.com/blogs/artcity/pieta.jpg

Take care of this thread, guys!

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Henri_Rousseau_002.jpg/752px-Henri_Rousseau_002.jpg

Vue de Pont de Sèvres, by Henri Rousseau (1908)

[Allez Thomas]

Ok, to keep this thread alive, here are a couple of Aesop's fables. Perhaps not high literature, but childhood favourites of mine:

The Fox and the Grapes (from which we get the term 'sour grapes':D)

ONE hot summer’s day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. “Just the things to quench my thirst,” quoth he. Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “I am sure they are sour.”

and

The North Wind and the Sun

The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger, when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak.
They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.
Then the North Wind blew as hard as he could, but the more he blew the more closely did the traveler fold his cloak around him;
and at last the North Wind gave up the attempt. Then the Sun shined out warmly, and immediately the traveler took off his cloak.
And so the North Wind was obliged to confess that the Sun was the stronger of the two.

[baobob]

Chinese food?

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/moshdog/chinese_food.jpg

[Ben]

To me, there is normal music and Chopin. Which is to me what God would have created if he was a pianist.

Two magnificent examples:

Ballade #1 en sol mineur
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Concerto pour piano #2 en fa mineur (in reality #1 but it was edited after. Created at the age of 19 only !!):
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[muddywaters]

Chinese food?



This reminds me of something:

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[horse]

http://ekoses.net/ekolojikyasamportali/ekogaleri/upload/ekosanat/heykel/kiss_rodin.jpg

[Shopsoiled]

Aiguille Verte
Took this week. Chamonix looked beautiful in all the recent snow
<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3276/3288445816_01b376d71c_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMGP1560" /></a>

[Allez Thomas]

Aiguille Verte
Took this week. Chamonix looked beautiful in all the recent snow
<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3276/3288445816_01b376d71c_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMGP1560" /></a>

How was it Shoppy? Looks absolutely stunning there.

[Shopsoiled]

How was it Shoppy? Looks absolutely stunning there.

Best I've seen it, loads of fresh powder and after a huge dump 5 days of sun and cold temp's awesome. No where like it for such huge peaks.

[baobob]

a classic one.

Le dormeur du val

C'est un trou de verdure où chante une rivière
Accrochant follement aux herbes des haillons
D'argent; où le soleil de la montagne fière,
Luit; C'est un petit val qui mousse de rayons.
Un soldat jeune bouche ouverte, tête nue,
Et la nuque baignant dans le frais cresson bleu,
Dort; il est étendu dans l'herbe, sous la nue,
Pale dans son lit vert où la lumière pleut.

Les pieds dans les glaïeuls, il dort. Souriant comme
Sourirait un enfant malade, il fait un somme:
Nature, berce-le chaudement: il a froid.

Les parfums ne font plus frissonner sa narine;
Il dort dans le soleil, la main sur sa poitrine
Tranquille. Il a deux trous rouges au coté droit.


Arthur Rimbaud

[Allez Thomas]

Let's not forget this thread guys!

This is an image from the Scorvegni Chapel in Padova. This doesn't really do it justice, but it is a magnificent chapel.

http://www.rositour.it/Arte/Giotto/Cappella%20Scrovegni%20(Padova).jpg

[le diable noir]

http://mimulus.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/rene-magritte-os-amantes.jpg?w=390&h=285

The Lovers, 1928, by René Magritte

[terminal2]

MYFANWY

Paham mae dicter, O Myfanwy,
Yn llenwi'th lygaid duon di?
A'th ruddiau tirion, O Myfanwy,
Heb wrido wrth fy ngweled i?
Pa le mae'r wên oedd ar dy wefus
Fu'n cynnau 'nghariad ffyddlon ffôl?
Pa le mae sain dy eiriau melys,
Fu'n denu'n nghalon ar dy ôl?
Pa beth a wneuthum, O Myfanwy,
I haeddu gwg dy ddwyrudd hardd?
Ai chwarae oeddit, O Myfanwy
 thanau euraidd serch dy fardd?
Wyt eiddo im drwy gywir amod
Ai gormod cadw'th air i mi?
Ni cheisiaf fyth mo'th law, Myfanwy,
Heb gael dy galon gyda hi.
Myfanwy boed yr holl o'th fywyd
Dan heulwen disglair canol dydd.
A boed i rosyn gwridog iechyd
I ddawnsio ganmlwydd ar dy rudd.
Anghofia'r oll o'th addewidion
A wnest i rywun, 'ngeneth ddel,
A dyro'th law, Myfanwy dirion
I ddim ond dweud y gair "Ffarwél".

[edit] English translation
Why is it anger, O Myfanwy,
That fills your eyes so dark and clear?
Your gentle cheeks, O sweet Myfanwy,
Why blush they not when I draw near?
Where is the smile that once most tender
Kindled my love so fond, so true?
Where is the sound of your sweet words,
That drew my heart to follow you?
What have I done, O my Myfanwy,
To earn your frown? What is my blame?
Was it just play, my sweet Myfanwy,
To set your poet's love aflame?
You truly once to me were promised,
Is it too much to keep your part?
I wish no more your hand, Myfanwy,
If I no longer have your heart.
Myfanwy, may you spend your lifetime
Beneath the midday sunshine's glow,
And on your cheeks O may the roses
Dance for a hundred years or so.
Forget now all the words of promise
You made to one who loved you well,
Give me your hand, my sweet Myfanwy,
But one last time, to say "farewell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxPulya1bSE&feature=related

[le diable noir]

http://www.abcgallery.com/M/magritte/magritte48.JPG

Dangerous Liaisons by René Magritte (1926)

[le diable noir]

http://aplressources.free.fr/35oamc/img016.jpg

[Tumpman]

Morning Tardy, you'll have a fall of soot smoking one of them. !

[le diable noir]

Morning, Tumpman. I never smoke a pipe. ;)

Btw the subtitel of the picture says that's it's not a pipe.

[Tumpman]

Morning, Tumpman. I never smoke a pipe. ;)

Btw the subtitel of the picture says that's it's not a pipe.



I knew that .!


Just testing as you well know .. . . . . .:f_erm:

[Tumpman]

Let's not forget this thread guys!

This is an image from the Scorvegni Chapel in Padova. This doesn't really do it justice, but it is a magnificent chapel.

http://www.rositour.it/Arte/Giotto/Cappella%20Scrovegni%20(Padova).jpg



I was going to do our kitchen like this but Mrs Tumpman said there was far too much blue.!

[le diable noir]

http://oilpaintingrepro.com/images/ImagesOriginal/fernando-botero-card-players.jpg

Card Players by Fernando Botero

[le diable noir]

http://pictures.buysculpture.com/botero/botero3/botero3-1.jpg

Meat by Fernando Botero

[le duck noir]

http://blogs.jsonline.com/blogs/artcity/pieta.jpg

Take care of this thread, guys!

Indeed! It was 3 pages back! Lift your game, folks.

Cheers.

[le diable noir]

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/p/picasso/guernica.jpg

[muddywaters]

http://www.edumoodle.at/relicampus/file.php/1/chagall_das_leben.jpg

Marc Chagall

[horse]

http://www.castlegalleryni.com/images/pictures/Tom_Carr/Tom%20CarrRockpool.jpg

[le diable noir]

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/artworks/magritte/impossible.jpg


Attempting the Impossible by René Magritte

1928, oil on canvas, Galerie Isy Brachot, Brussels.

[le diable noir]

http://images.artnet.com/WebServices/picture.aspx?date=20090623&catalog=165686&gallery=110884&lot=00006&filetype=2

Au Parc Monceau by Claude Monet

[Knock On]

http://images.artnet.com/WebServices/picture.aspx?date=20090623&catalog=165686&gallery=110884&lot=00006&filetype=2

Au Parc Monceau by Claude Monet

Still a magical place, I live nearby

[horse]

Still a magical place, I live nearby

you been to the curve?

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Fernando_Botero_Maternity_1999%2C_Gasteig_Muenchen-1.jpg/425px-Fernando_Botero_Maternity_1999%2C_Gasteig_Muenchen-1.jpg

Maternity by Fernando Botero

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Leonardo_da_Vinci_Adoration_of_the_Magi.jpg/621px-Leonardo_da_Vinci_Adoration_of_the_Magi.jpg


L’Adoration des mages (Léonard de Vinci)

[horse]

love this painting of the Pigalle when Tigran was a young man strutting his stuff.




http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/126492/1/La-F$E3$Aate-Forain,-Place-Pigalle.jpg




that's him on the right. the wee fella.

[horse]

http://ourstreets.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/charles_bukowski.jpg

[terminal2]

I must down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,
And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,
And a grey mist on the sea's face, and a grey dawn breaking.

I must down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

I must down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,
To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;
And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover
And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

John Masefield

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Paris_Louvre_Venus_de_Milo_Debay_drawing-edit.png/413px-Paris_Louvre_Venus_de_Milo_Debay_drawing-edit.png

[horse]

i always loved this.



http://www.guibord.com/Democracy/files-images/La_Liberte_guidant_le_peuple.jpg

[tigran]

Liberty has always been important for some of us...

that and the movie about to arrive in France about L'Affiche rouge gives me the idea to post this poem of Aragon.


L'affiche rouge

Vous n'avez réclamé ni gloire ni les larmes
Ni l'orgue ni la prière aux agonisants
Onze ans déjà que cela passe vite onze ans
Vous vous étiez servis simplement de vos armes
La mort n'éblouit pas les yeux des Partisans

Vous aviez vos portraits sur les murs de nos villes
Noirs de barbe et de nuit hirsutes menaçants
L'affiche qui semblait une tache de sang
Parce qu'à prononcer vos noms sont difficiles
Y cherchait un effet de peur sur les passants

Nul ne semblait vous voir Français de préférence
Les gens allaient sans yeux pour vous le jour durant
Mais à l'heure du couvre-feu des doigts errants
Avaient écrit sous vos photos MORTS POUR LA FRANCE

Et les mornes matins en étaient différents
Tout avait la couleur uniforme du givre
A la fin février pour vos derniers moments
Et c'est alors que l'un de vous dit calmement
Bonheur à tous Bonheur à ceux qui vont survivre
Je meurs sans haine en moi pour le peuple allemand

Adieu la peine et le plaisir Adieu les roses
Adieu la vie adieu la lumière et le vent
Marie-toi sois heureuse et pense à moi souvent
Toi qui vas demeurer dans la beauté des choses
Quand tout sera fini plus tard en Erivan

Un grand soleil d'hiver éclaire la colline
Que la nature est belle et que le coeur me fend
La justice viendra sur nos pas triomphants
Ma Mélinée ô mon amour mon orpheline
Et je te dis de vivre et d'avoir un enfant

Ils étaient vingt et trois quand les fusils fleurirent
Vingt et trois qui donnaient le coeur avant le temps
Vingt et trois étrangers et nos frères pourtant
Vingt et trois amoureux de vivre à en mourir
Vingt et trois qui criaient la France en s'abattant.

Poème de Louis Aragon, chanté par Léo Ferré

[horse]

a lot of blood was shed but it was worth it.

[horse]

oh .......


and then I just thought of Rwanda.

[Spifflicator]

i always loved this.



http://www.guibord.com/Democracy/files-images/La_Liberte_guidant_le_peuple.jpg

Yeah right! You mean you love that perve front left with his pants off.

[horse]

nah. I love the idea of justice.





I just worry about the cost.

[le diable noir]

http://images.mds.prd.skynet.be/NewsFolder/original/SKY20091104043156AL.jpg

Les Femmes d'Alger, Pablo Picasso

[Claude_Cat]

Sonnets From The Portuguese


How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of Being and ideal Grace.

I love thee to the level of everyday' s
Most quiet need, by sun and candlelight.
I love thee freely, as men strive for Right;
I love thee purely, as they turn from Praise.

I love thee with the passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith.
I love thee with a love I seemed to lose

With my lost saints, - I love thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life! - and, if God choose,
I shall but love thee better after death.

~ Elizabeth Barrett –Browning (1806-1861)

[Knock On]

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[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Picasso_Nude_in_a_blackArmchair.jpg

Nude in a Black Armchair, Pablo Picasso

[baobob]

pierre alechinsky

http://pvillarroel.free.fr/wp/wp-content/images/pvb/alechinsky1.jpg

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/William-Adolphe_Bouguereau_%281825-1905%29_-_Nymphs_and_Satyr_%281873%29.jpg/420px-William-Adolphe_Bouguereau_%281825-1905%29_-_Nymphs_and_Satyr_%281873%29.jpg


Les Nymphes et le Satyre (1873) by William Adolphe Bouguereau

[le diable noir]

http://images.mds.prd.skynet.be/NewsFolder/original/SKY20091104043917AL.jpg

Nu Couché de Dos, Amedeo Modigliani

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Henri_Rousseau_005.jpg/800px-Henri_Rousseau_005.jpg

Le Rêve by Henri ‘le douanier’ Rousseau

[le diable noir]

http://frankfurt.art49.com/art49/art49frankfurt.nsf/0/614DA539E5BE05E7C1256F7200630C39/$file/84359_Variete.jpg

'Varieté' by Ernst Ludwig Kirchner

[le diable noir]

http://www.claireenfrance.fr/medias/Image/Mus%C3%A9e%20d'Orsay/Expo%20Impressionnisme%20et%20mode/36_Courbet_Demoiselles%20des%20bords%20de%20le%20S eine.jpg


'Les demoiselles du bord de la Seine (été)' by Gustave Courbet

[MikeWlg]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Burne-jones-love-among-the-ruins.jpg/800px-Burne-jones-love-among-the-ruins.jpg

[Parsifal]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Burne-jones-love-among-the-ruins.jpg/800px-Burne-jones-love-among-the-ruins.jpg

Love Among the Ruins - Robert Browning

I.
Where the quiet-coloured end of evening smiles,
Miles and miles
On the solitary pastures where our sheep
Half-asleep
Tinkle homeward thro' the twilight, stray or stop
As they crop--
Was the site once of a city great and gay,
(So they say)
Of our country's very capital, its prince
Ages since
Held his court in, gathered councils, wielding far
Peace or war.

II.
Now,--the country does not even boast a tree,
As you see,
To distinguish slopes of verdure, certain rills
From the hills
Intersect and give a name to, (else they run
Into one)
Where the domed and daring palace shot its spires
Up like fires
O'er the hundred-gated circuit of a wall
Bounding all,
Made of marble, men might march on nor be pressed,
Twelve abreast.

III.
And such plenty and perfection, see, of grass
Never was!
Such a carpet as, this summer-time, o'erspreads
And embeds
Every vestige of the city, guessed alone,
Stock or stone--
Where a multitude of men breathed joy and woe
Long ago;
Lust of glory pricked their hearts up, dread of shame
Struck them tame;
And that glory and that shame alike, the gold
Bought and sold.

IV.
Now,--the single little turret that remains
On the plains,
By the caper overrooted, by the gourd
Overscored,
While the patching houseleek's head of blossom winks
Through the chinks--
Marks the basement whence a tower in ancient time
Sprang sublime,
And a burning ring, all round, the chariots traced
As they raced,
And the monarch and his minions and his dames
Viewed the games.

V.
And I know, while thus the quiet-coloured eve
Smiles to leave
To their folding, all our many-tinkling fleece
In such peace,
And the slopes and rills in undistinguished grey
Melt away--
That a girl with eager eyes and yellow hair
Waits me there
In the turret whence the charioteers caught soul
For the goal,
When the king looked, where she looks now, breathless, dumb
Till I come.

VI.
But he looked upon the city, every side,
Far and wide,
All the mountains topped with temples, all the glades'
Colonnades,
All the causeys, bridges, aqueducts,--and then,
All the men!
When I do come, she will speak not, she will stand,
Either hand
On my shoulder, give her eyes the first embrace
Of my face,
Ere we rush, ere we extinguish sight and speech
Each on each.

VII.
In one year they sent a million fighters forth
South and North,
And they built their gods a brazen pillar high
As the sky,
Yet reserved a thousand chariots in full force--
Gold, of course.
Oh heart! oh blood that freezes, blood that burns!
Earth's returns
For whole centuries of folly, noise and sin!
Shut them in,
With their triumphs and their glories and the rest!
Love is best.

[Parsifal]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Atala_au_tombeau%2C1808%2CGirodet_de_Roussy_-Trioson%2C_Louvre..JPG/783px-Atala_au_tombeau%2C1808%2CGirodet_de_Roussy_-Trioson%2C_Louvre..JPG

The Entombment of Atala - Girodet-Trioson

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Pygmalion_and_Galatea_%28G%C3%A9r%C3%B4me%29_back. jpg/446px-Pygmalion_and_Galatea_%28G%C3%A9r%C3%B4me%29_back. jpg

Pygmalion and Galatea, Jean-Léon Gérôme, 1890

[le diable noir]

http://sexualityinart.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/rene-magritte-the-liberator-1947.jpg

The Liberator by René Magritte

[le diable noir]

http://www.artunframed.com/images/compressed/compressed4/ensor.jpg


Skeletons Fighting for the Body of a Hanged Man, by James Ensor, 1891.

[Tnébreux]

Guys, how could you let that thread fall back so much? To thank Le Tardillon who did most to keep it up (please no snickering at the back), a beautiful painting by another Belgian artist:

http://www.wga.hu/art/w/weyden/rogier/08beaune/00beaun1.jpg

[Allez Thomas]

I know this thread is generally more about poetry and paintings, but having just finished the Millennium novels by Stieg Larsson, I was intrigued to know if anyone else here has read them, and what they thought. They arrived a little later in England than in France (the last one has only just been translated) so I didn't really know about them until one of my cousins recommended them to me, but I absolutely loved them!

[switchskier]

I know this thread is generally more about poetry and paintings, but having just finished the Millennium novels by Stieg Larsson, I was intrigued to know if anyone else here has read them, and what they thought. They arrived a little later in England than in France (the last one has only just been translated) so I didn't really know about them until one of my cousins recommended them to me, but I absolutely loved them!

First one was absolutley brilliant. Second was good and third got a little lost as it over-complicated things and so the story was lost a little. The ending was dragged out a bit too but the style of writing was very good as was the character creation.

There's been a Sweedish film of the first book made which should be in cinemas sometime this month and a Holywood version scheduled for 2012.

[tigran]

Guys, how could you let that thread fall back so much? To thank Le Tardillon who did most to keep it up (please no snickering at the back), a beautiful painting by another Belgian artist:


It's also your duty now, you need to accompany your baby from time to time...

[Tnébreux]

It's also your duty now, you need to accompany your baby from time to time...

I'm glad to do it when I am here, as you can see. But it's up to you guys the rest of the time...

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Frida_Kahlo_%28self_portrait%29.jpg


Frida Kahlo, Self-portrait with Thorn Necklace and Hummingbird.

[JohnBuggy]

interesting thread. here's a poem you might enjoy. it's by james shirley.

Death the Leveller

The glories of our blood and state
Are shadows, not substantial things;
There is no armour against Fate;
Death lays his icy hand on kings:
Sceptre and Crown
Must tumble down,
And in the dust be equal made
With the poor crookèd scythe and spade.

Some men with swords may reap the field,
And plant fresh laurels where they kill:
But their strong nerves at last must yield;
They tame but one another still:
Early or late
They stoop to fate,
And must give up their murmuring breath
When they, pale captives, creep to death.

The garlands wither on your brow,
Then boast no more your mighty deeds!
Upon Death's purple altar now
See where the victor-victim bleeds.
Your heads must come
To the cold tomb:
Only the actions of the just
Smell sweet and blossom in their dust

[le diable noir]

http://thisbrazenteacher.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/fridakahloroots.jpeg

[JohnBuggy]

Guess what the poet is describing....

He clasps the crag with crooked hands;
Close to the sun in lonely lands,
Ringed with the azure world, he stands.
The wrinkled sea beneath him crawls;
He watches from his mountain walls,
And like a thunderbolt he falls.

[le diable noir]

Guess what the poet is describing....

... an eagle ...

[JohnBuggy]

... an eagle ...

I hope you didn't look that up on the internet :f_whistle:
:f_winkeye:


Here's a strange poem.

The Owl

What if to edge of dream,
When the spirit is come,
Shriek the hunting owl,
And summon it home.
To the fear-stirred heart,
And the ancient dread,
Of man, when cold root or stone,
Pillowed roofless head ?

Clangs not at last the hour,
When roof shelters not;
And the ears are deaf,
And all fears forgot:
Since the spirit too far has fared,
For summoning scream,
Of any strange fowl on Earth,
To shatter it's dream ?

Walter de la Mare

[le diable noir]

I hope you didn't look that up on the internet :f_whistle:
:f_winkeye:


I had to do that cause Alfred Tennyson wasn't known to me. :f_whistle:

[JohnBuggy]

I had to do that cause Alfred Tennyson wasn't known to me. :f_whistle:

bleedin' cheatin' french...

:f_biggrin:

[tigran]

http://www.harley.com/art/abstract-art/images/%28gorky%29-one-year-the-milkweed.jpg

[le diable noir]

Crossing the Bar


SUNSET and evening star,
And one clear call for me!
And may there be no moaning of the bar,
When I put out to sea,

But such a tide as moving seems asleep,
Too full for sound and foam,
When that which drew from out the boundless deep
Turns again home.

Twilight and evening bell,
And after that the dark!
And may there be no sadness or farewell,
When I embark;

For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place
The flood may bear me far,
I hope to see my Pilot face to face
When I have crost the bar.


Alfred Tennyson

[Tnébreux]

Tennyson it is, then!

http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/t/tennyson/alfred/t3ls/JWW_TheLadyOfShallot_1888.jpg



...Lying, robed in snowy white
That loosely flew to left and right --
The leaves upon her falling light --
Thro' the noises of the night,
She floated down to Camelot:
And as the boat-head wound along
The willowy hills and fields among,
They heard her singing her last song,
The Lady of Shalott.

Heard a carol, mournful, holy,
Chanted loudly, chanted lowly,
Till her blood was frozen slowly,
And her eyes were darkened wholly,
Turn'd to tower'd Camelot.
For ere she reach'd upon the tide
The first house by the water-side,
Singing in her song she died,
The Lady of Shalott.

Under tower and balcony,
By garden-wall and gallery,
A gleaming shape she floated by,
Dead-pale between the houses high,
Silent into Camelot.
Out upon the wharfs they came,
Knight and Burgher, Lord and Dame,
And around the prow they read her name,
The Lady of Shalott.

Who is this? And what is here?
And in the lighted palace near
Died the sound of royal cheer;
And they crossed themselves for fear,
All the Knights at Camelot;
But Lancelot mused a little space
He said, "She has a lovely face;
God in his mercy lend her grace,
The Lady of Shalott.

Alfred, Lord Tennyson

[JohnBuggy]

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_Singer_Sargent_001.jpg

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/John_Singer_Sargent_001.jpg/603px-John_Singer_Sargent_001.jpg

Looks better than the bloody red cross ...

[terminal2]

See me here a foolish boy
Pursue my joy full fancy
I watch and ward the whitened wheat
And all thats sweet, and ready
Will you follow where I go
One day dispose to tarry
I see your beauty slender maid
Each day displayed more fully


You grow fairer ev'ry day
Or I in faith grow fonder
For God who made your lovely face
Will mercy grace my wonder
Turn yor head to yonder strand
Give me your hand, confiding
For in your curving bosom see
Is my hearts key in hiding

While the sea still soft my fare
And while my hairs still growing
And while my hearts still beating true
I will be true, my darling
Tell me darling if you dare
And truly swear, replying
Am I the one you love the best
Your heart the rest, denying



passant Wil Hopcyn

[BIP]

http://www.comptoirsaintmerri.fr/technique_couture/tech_couture_img/manet.fifre0.jpg

[Parsifal]

I had to do that cause Alfred Tennyson wasn't known to me. :f_whistle:

One of Lincolnshire's finest fellows.

[le diable noir]

It's for Oldprussians



Das begrabene Herz

Mich denkt es eines alten Traums.
Es war in meiner dumpfen Zeit,
Da junge Wildheit in mir gor.
Bekümmert war die Mutter oft.
Da kam einmal ein schlimmer Brief.
- Was er enthielt, erriet ich nie-
Die Mutter fuhr sich mit der Hand
Zum Herzen, fast als stürb es ihr.
Die Nacht darauf hatt ich den Traum:
Die Mutter sah verstohlen ich
Nach unserm Tannenwinkel gehn,
Den Spaten in der zarten Hand,
Sie grub ein Grab und legt' ein Herz
Hinunter sacht. Sie ebnete
Die Erde dann und schlich davon.



Conrad Ferdinand Meyer

[Tnébreux]

Un grand classique de Goethe, qui a été mis en musique par Schubert.


Der König in Thule

Es war ein König in Thule,
Gar treu bis an das Grab,
Dem sterbend seine Buhle
Einen goldnen Becher gab.

Es ging ihm nichts darüber,
Er leert' ihn jeden Schmaus;
Die Augen gingen ihm über,
So oft er trank daraus.

Und als er kam zu sterben,
Zählt' er seine Städt' im Reich,
Gönnt' alles seinem Erben,
Den Becher nicht zugleich.

Er saß beim Königsmahle,
Die Ritter um ihn her,
Auf hohem Vätersaale,
Dort auf dem Schloß am Meer.

Dort stand der alte Zecher,
Trank letzte Lebensglut,
Und warf den heil'gen Becher
Hinunter in die Flut.

Er sah ihn stürzen, trinken
Und sinken tief ins Meer.
Die Augen täten ihm sinken
Trank nie einen Tropfen mehr.


Johann Wolfgang von Goethe




The King of Thule

There was a king in Thule,
Was faithful to the grave,
Whom she that loved him truly
In dying a goblet gave.

He found no prize more appealing,
Each feast he drained the cup;
To his eyes the tears came stealing
Whenever he held it up.

And when he came to dying,
The towns in his realm he enrolled,
His heir no prize denying,
Except that cup of gold.

And at a royal wassail
With all his knights sat he
In the hall of his father's castle
That faces toward the sea.

The old carouser slowly
Stood up, drank life's last glow,
And flung the cup so holy
Into the flood below.

He saw it plunging, drinking
As deep in the sea it sank.
His eyes the while were sinking,
Not a drop again he drank.


Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[Massacanat]

Tennyson it is, then!

http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/t/tennyson/alfred/t3ls/JWW_TheLadyOfShallot_1888.jpg



...Lying, robed in snowy white
That loosely flew to left and right --
The leaves upon her falling light --
Thro' the noises of the night,
She floated down to Camelot:
And as the boat-head wound along
The willowy hills and fields among,
They heard her singing her last song,
The Lady of Shalott.

Heard a carol, mournful, holy,
Chanted loudly, chanted lowly,
Till her blood was frozen slowly,
And her eyes were darkened wholly,
Turn'd to tower'd Camelot.
For ere she reach'd upon the tide
The first house by the water-side,
Singing in her song she died,
The Lady of Shalott.

Under tower and balcony,
By garden-wall and gallery,
A gleaming shape she floated by,
Dead-pale between the houses high,
Silent into Camelot.
Out upon the wharfs they came,
Knight and Burgher, Lord and Dame,
And around the prow they read her name,
The Lady of Shalott.

Who is this? And what is here?
And in the lighted palace near
Died the sound of royal cheer;
And they crossed themselves for fear,
All the Knights at Camelot;
But Lancelot mused a little space
He said, "She has a lovely face;
God in his mercy lend her grace,
The Lady of Shalott.

Alfred, Lord Tennyson


Quite beautiful that painting, Tnebreux, who made it? It looks like pre-raphaelite, which is one my favourite streams.

[le diable noir]

Un grand classique de Goethe, qui a été mis en musique par Schubert.


Der König in Thule

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[le diable noir]

Quite beautiful that painting, Tnebreux, who made it? It looks like pre-raphaelite, which is one my favourite streams.

This one : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William_Waterhouse

[JohnBuggy]

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Very nice.

Why isn't more classical music posted here ?

[Massacanat]

This one : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William_Waterhouse

Cheers, so it is, pre-raphaelite.

This one decorates my living room:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Hope_in_a_Prison_of_Despair.jpg

[Tnébreux]

Quite beautiful that painting, Tnebreux, who made it? It looks like pre-raphaelite, which is one my favourite streams.

As Le Tardillon said, the painting is by John William Waterhouse, who is indeed a Pre-Raphaelite. But he is a late one, when the emotional power of the early works has been toned down, maybe tainted by the moral comformism of contemporary Victorian painters. Luckily, he is saved by his skills, influenced by continental artists, and surpassed in the Pre-Raphaelite movement only by Millais and Burne-Jones.

I don't know if you go to London from time to time, but there was last year a very interesting and quite exhaustive exhibition about him at the Royal Academy. It was even more interesting if you had seen the Millais exhibition at the Tate the year before.

[Massacanat]

I don't know if you go to London from time to time, but there was last year a very interesting and quite exhaustive exhibition about him at the Royal Academy. It was even more interesting if you had seen the Millais exhibition at the Tate the year before.

Too sporadical are my visits to plan that. I think England is the place to be for those kind of paintings though.

[le diable noir]

Le coucher du soleil romantique

Que le soleil est beau quand tout frais il se lève,
Comme une explosion nous lançant son bonjour !
- Bienheureux celui-là qui peut avec amour
Saluer son coucher plus glorieux qu'un rêve !

Je me souviens ! J'ai vu tout, fleur, source, sillon,
Se pâmer sous son oeil comme un coeur qui palpite...
- Courons vers l'horizon, il est tard, courons vite,
Pour attraper au moins un oblique rayon !

Mais je poursuis en vain le Dieu qui se retire ;
L'irrésistible Nuit établit son empire,
Noire, humide, funeste et pleine de frissons ;

Une odeur de tombeau dans les ténèbres nage,
Et mon pied peureux froisse, au bord du marécage,
Des crapauds imprévus et de froids limaçons.


Charles Baudelaire

[Tnébreux]

Very nice.

Why isn't more classical music posted here ?

Well, we have in the "Chez Molière" forum a thread dedicated to music ("Fête de la musique"). But I must admit it has been only pop so far, and not always good.

I guess we can try some vocal music here: after all, they use beautiful words too.

This is "Gretchen am Spinrade": another poem by Goethe, from Faust, put to music by Schubert. It is sung by an up and coming soprano, but the sound could be better.


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[le diable noir]

NABUCCO´S "VA PENSIERO SULL´ALI DORATE"

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[le diable noir]

Ode to joy - German chorus

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[Allez Thomas]

Names with youtube videos please!! Some of us aren't able to access youtube so it would be nice to at least know what I'm missing out on!

[Massacanat]

I see le tardillon has fused with le duck noir to form a new poster:)

[terminal2]

Names with youtube videos please!! Some of us aren't able to access youtube so it would be nice to at least know what I'm missing out on!

Beethoven 9. Finale.

[terminal2]

If a god were to tell you: 'Tomorrow or the next day you will be dead.'
You would not, unless you were the most abject of men, be solicitous whether it was the latter day not tomorrow.
In the same sense, do not care wheher your death will come years hence, or tomorrow.

M. Aurelius. Book IV

[le diable noir]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a246/outoforbit/Gauduin_the_moon_and_the_earth.jpg


The Moon and the Earth by Paul Gauguin

[Tnébreux]

NABUCCO´S "VA PENSIERO SULL´ALI DORATE"

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LT/Diable, how do you embed Youtube directly into your post? When I cut and paste the embed code from the Youtube page, it doest get translated and appears as html instructions. I had to wrap "MEDIA" tags around it (with the big blue "M" above the edit box) to make it appear, but it doesn't come out clean, and inside a "Rugby Rebels present" box. Am I missing something?

[Tnébreux]

No man is an island. entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

John Donne

[Claude_Cat]

Le Mort Joyeux

Dans une terre grasse et pleine d'escargots
Je veux creuser moi-même une fosse profonde,
Où je puisse à loisir étaler mes vieux os
Et dormir dans l'oubli comme un requin dans l'onde.

Je hais les testaments et je hais les tombeaux;
Plutôt que d'implorer une larme du monde,
Vivant, j'aimerais mieux inviter les corbeaux
À saigner tous les bouts de ma carcasse immonde.

Ô vers! noirs compagnons sans oreille et sans yeux,
Voyez venir à vous un mort libre et joyeux;
Philosophes viveurs, fils de la pourriture,

À travers ma ruine allez donc sans remords,
Et dites-moi s'il est encor quelque torture
Pour ce vieux corps sans âme et mort parmi les morts!

by Charles Baudelaire
1821-1867, written in 1861



The Joyful Corpse

In a rich, heavy soil, infested with snails,
I wish to dig my own grave, wide and deep,
Where I can at leisure stretch out my old bones
And sleep in oblivion like a shark in the wave.

I have a hatred for testaments and for tombs;
Rather than implore a tear of the world,
I'd sooner, while alive, invite the crows
To drain the blood from my filthy carcass.

O worms! black companions with neither eyes nor ears,
See a dead man, joyous and free, approaching you;
Wanton philosophers, children of putrescence,

Go through my ruin then, without remorse,
And tell me if there still remains any torture
For this old soulless body, dead among the dead!


— Translated by William Aggeler

[le diable noir]

LT/Diable, how do you embed Youtube directly into your post? When I cut and paste the embed code from the Youtube page, it doest get translated and appears as html instructions. I had to wrap "MEDIA" tags around it (with the big blue "M" above the edit box) to make it appear, but it doesn't come out clean, and inside a "Rugby Rebels present" box. Am I missing something?

Your aren't missing something, Tnébreux, but you do to much.

Your link is showing 'url' on the beginning and '/url' at the end. Mine is just the embedded code inside these two urls.


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[BIP]

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maybe not as valuable as the great version of Stanislas Lefort but still worth posting ;)

[Tnébreux]

Since BiP likes La Damnation de Faust, here is another excerpt, the famous "Air de la puce". Sung by the Belgian singer Jose van Dam, at the Theâtre de la Monnaie in Brussels, so DN should be happy too...


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(native embed still not working for some reason)

[le diable noir]

(native embed still not working for some reason)

Your code contained 6 times 'url', Tnébreux, I deleted all, inlcuding all [] and it looks like this now :

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[Massacanat]

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One of the three big miracles by Bach, and the most underrated of the three. Unser Herrscher.

[Tnébreux]

Your code contained 6 times 'url', Tnébreux, I deleted all, inlcuding all [] and it looks like this now :

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Strangely, when I look at what I wrote by clicking "Quote", I don't see any extra [url] code:


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There must be a setting of Windows on my PC which is incompatible with the simple embed...

[Tnébreux]

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One of the three big miracles by Bach, and the most underrated of the three. Unser Herrscher.

Only three miracles?! Bach is a miracle in himself! In fact, I strongly suspect he is God under a clever disguise (who would look for Him in Germany of all places? :f_2winkeye:).

Since it is still Easter, well, Easter holidays at least, here is one of my favourite arias from the Johannes Passion: "Eilt, ihr angefochtnen Seelen". Directed by a Belgian...

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[Tnébreux]

An excerpt from Bach's other Passion (I'm afraid Goesten has opened the floodgates there...). Not the best version ever, but one that you may remember from Scorcese's film Casino:

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[le diable noir]

There must be a setting of Windows on my PC which is incompatible with the simple embed...

No idea what it is, I've never seen it before. The two clips you placed today also contain 6 times 'url' each.

[Massacanat]

Only three miracles?! Bach is a miracle in himself! In fact, I strongly suspect he is God under a clever disguise (who would look for Him in Germany of all places? :f_2winkeye:).

Since it is still Easter, well, Easter holidays at least, here is one of my favourite arias from the Johannes Passion: "Eilt, ihr angefochtnen Seelen". Directed by a Belgian...


Yes it's a great part. The part I also like so much is wer hat dich so geschlagen, shown below. The performance is too slow for my liking though.

He used the same part but changed it a bit (changes the chord to major), for the Matthäus Passion. I like it more in the Johannes Passion.

Germany have in Bach and Gauss 2 exceptional persons, almost godly yes.

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[Tnébreux]

Yes it's a great part. The part I also like so much is wer hat dich so geschlagen, shown below. The performance is too slow for my liking though.

He used the same part but changed it a bit (changes the chord to major), for the Matthäus Passion. I like it more in the Johannes Passion.

Germany have in Bach and Gauss 2 exceptional persons, almost godly yes.

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It is a nice Choral, I agree with you that the tempo is a bit slow though. Here is an excerpt from the Easter cantata Christ lag in Todesbanden. The version I like best is that of John-Eliot Gardiner, but it wasn't on Youtube. Karl Richter's was, though, and for once the tempo is fine.

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Bach and Gauss are obviously giants in their field (as mathematician though, I find the Swiss Leonhard Euler even more impressive), but it is interesting that the Germans themselves don't see it quite that way. In a survey of the 100 greatest Germans done a few years ago, Bach is number 6 behind Konrad Adenauer, Martin Luther, Karl Marx, resistants couple Hans and Sophie Scholl, and Willy Brandt. Gauss is number 89!
Can't really blame the Germans though: at least celebrities don't appear before number 16. In the corresponding poll in the UK, won by Churchill, another statesman, Lady Di was number 3, and John Lennon number 8. Better still, in the French one, won by de Gaulle (see a pattern there?), there are two comedians, a singer and a TV oceanologist in the top 10...

[Ben]

Are you a mathematician Tnébreux ??

Anyway, these are good stuffs.
I love Bach, I rate him as 2nd best musician ever. There was clearly a before and after Bach.
However, my favourite is Chopin. Might be because I'm a pianist but his music is just divine. Some are incredibly romantic, some are very modern (the 2ème Sonate is like a UFO in the world of music), the melody is always great and the accompagniment is always perfect. It's however often impossible to play.
Like Bach, it was a revolution, but restricted to the piano world. A shame he didn't compose more for other instruments. By his sole work, he gave Piano another dimension.

A short example, not well known, but really great:
Troisième Sonate en si mineur op.58, 1er et 4ème mouvements:

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[Tnébreux]

Are you a mathematician Tnébreux ??

Anyway, these are good stuffs.
I love Bach, I rate him as 2nd best musician ever. There was clearly a before and after Bach.
However, my favourite is Chopin. Might be because I'm a pianist but his music is just divine. Some are incredibly romantic, some are very modern (the 2ème Sonate is like a UFO in the world of music), the melody is always great and the accompagniment is always perfect. It's however often impossible to play.
Like Bach, it was a revolution, but restricted to the piano world. A shame he didn't compose more for other instruments. By his sole work, he gave Piano another dimension.

A short example, not well known, but really great:
Troisième Sonate en si mineur op.58, 1er et 4ème mouvements:

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I am not a mathematician, although I did study a bit of maths. What I meant was that among mathematicians, I rate Euler even higher than Gauss.

I like Chopin too, always had more affinity to the early romantics than to the later ones. He is probably not in my top 5 though; maybe because I am not a pianist... Yet. :f_2winkeye:
I like the way Katsaris plays, but my favourite version of the work has always been that of Argerich, maybe not as powerful, but so passionate, so... romantic!


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[Ben]

I am not a mathematician, although I did study a bit of maths. What I meant was that among mathematicians, I rate Euler even higher than Gauss.

I like Chopin too, always had more affinity to the early romantics than to the later ones. He is probably not in my top 5 though; maybe because I am not a pianist... Yet. :f_2winkeye:
I like the way Katsaris plays, but my favourite version of the work has always been that of Argerich, maybe not as powerful, but so passionate, so... romantic!


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I prefer Argerich's version too, and I did hesitate to post this same video. But on this one, you don't see the hands. It might be of less interest for some people, but I like Katsaris version for that. It's amazing for it's easy for him. It's even making me depressive sometimes...

I was asking about the maths because to say you rate one of these two more than the other, you must quite a lot about them and their work. I don't think most people have the slightest idea about what they did. I don't have any specific idea on that comparison. To me, it seems that Gauss was a bit like Bach, the pioneer and Euler one of the great geniuses that arrived after.
I had some tough times in prépa with these guys, but I really loved maths. It's amazing how everything was be constructed so nicely.

Anyway, for those interested in Maths history in general, there's a book "La Symphonie des nombres premiers" by Marcus du Sautoy. It's just excellent. The last chapters might be difficult to follow for some people but there's a lot of history, it's really good. It gives an idea of what these geniuses (Gauss and Euler) did.

[Tnébreux]

I prefer Argerich's version too, and I did hesitate to post this same video. But on this one, you don't see the hands. It might be of less interest for some people, but I like Katsaris version for that. It's amazing for it's easy for him. It's even making me depressive sometimes...

I was asking about the maths because to say you rate one of these two more than the other, you must quite a lot about them and their work. I don't think most people have the slightest idea about what they did. I don't have any specific idea on that comparison. To me, it seems that Gauss was a bit like Bach, the pioneer and Euler one of the great geniuses that arrived after.
I had some tough times in prépa with these guys, but I really loved maths. It's amazing how everything was be constructed so nicely.

Anyway, for those interested in Maths history in general, there's a book "La Symphonie des nombres premiers" by Marcus du Sautoy. It's just excellent. The last chapters might be difficult to follow for some people but there's a lot of history, it's really good. It gives an idea of what these geniuses (Gauss and Euler) did.

I see what you mean about Katsaris's hands. But if his talent makes you, a pianist, depressed, what should a non-pianist like me say?

As I said, I did study maths a bit, although like you, I was not all that interested at the time in studying the life of people who were putting me through such a torture... :f_2winkeye: I do like maths, though, and it has always surprised me how quite a few people are interested in the life of artists, whether writers, film directors, painters, etc., but nearly no one gives a damn about mathematicians or physicists, who have contributed as much or more to the sum of human achievements.
I have quite a few books on the subject, the best in my mind being Pour l'honneur de l'esprit humain, par Jean Dieudonné, a member of the Bourbaki group. I haven't got du Sautoy's book, but I have seen his series of programs on TV, and it was very interesting.
By the way, Euler was probably the pioneer of the two, he was born about 70 years before Gauss.

[Massacanat]

I'm a physical chemist. Though Euler has written more than Gauss, on pure maths, I rate Gauss higher. I've had to prove many of both' propositions in the past, and some of Gauss are the most complex I've encountered by far. It's unimagineable that somebody can come up with that.

At the age of 4 he was correcting the calculations of his father and on his 21st he wrote the basis for what is now still the Theory of Numbers. When he was 22 he proved the theory of roots for the algebraic equations.

He was very interested in the orbits of planets, and developed minimization methods including the method of least squares that are today still the methods to optimize in numerical methods. He apparently did almost all calculations in his head, including logarithmic ones.

In basically everything he tried, he had success. Before his death he formed the basis of the theory of magnetism.

In working on that he solved the incredibly complex theory of quadratic reciprocity, something that Euler proposed but couldn't prove.

The comparison between Bach and Gauss makes sense because Gauss basically completed a field of work, just like Bach did with the theory of music. Nothing big has been proven in pure maths since Gauss, except for maybe Fermat's proposition that has been proven by that Briton in the 90s.

There are still a couple of propositions by Gauss in pure numerical science that haven't been proven yet, and will probably never been proven unless he returns back to life.


I love the works of Chopin btw. I'm a baroque and renaissance recorder player, did conservatoire in that in the past, but nevertheless I love listening to piano. He was perhaps after Schubert one of the most influential composers of his time.
In terms of composition in the whole time spectrum, though, I don't rate Chopin near the highest.

I see Bach as the best ever, and nobody was actually close to him, and what he achieved in getting everything out of music. And after him, nobody tried to come close to his finesse, and in times of classical music and later, romantism, the loudness, impressionism and charisma of the performer were accentuated to come up with something new.
There was only Mozart, who wrote an ode to Bach in his requiem, and though it became his most famous work, it is not close to the 3 great works of Bach.

After Bach, there is a gap, after which I place Claudio Monteverdi 2nd, the man who "invented" opera, and the key figure in transition from Church-oriented Renaissance music to Baroque music. He was actually the biggest example to Bach himself.

And after Monteverdi, there is another huge gap, after which I rate a string of composers in all times including Frescobaldi and Steve Reich as most influential.

[Ben]

I see what you mean about Katsaris's hands. But if his talent makes you, a pianist, depressed, what should a non-pianist like me say?

As I said, I did study maths a bit, although like you, I was not all that interested at the time in studying the life of people who were putting me through such a torture... :f_2winkeye: I do like maths, though, and it has always surprised me how quite a few people are interested in the life of artists, whether writers, film directors, painters, etc., but nearly no one gives a damn about mathematicians or physicists, who have who have contributed as much or more to the sum of human achievements.
I have quite a few books on the subject, the best in my mind being Pour l'honneur de l'esprit humain, par Jean Dieudonné, un membre du groupe Bourbaki. I haven't got du Sautoy's book, but I have seen his series of programs on TV, and it was very interesting.
By the way, Euler was probably the pioneer of the two, he was born about 70 years before Gauss.

Well, if you don't play the piano, maybe you don't have the hope, desire to play that piece some day. There are a lot of pieces I'd love to play that are extremely difficult, and when I see these guys playing so well and so fast, I wonder if it's even possible.

You're right about Euler being older than Gauss. Who the hell did I make the confusion with ? Probably Leibniz. I need to go back to my history book. My math teacher has killed people for less than that.

[Ben]

I'm a physical chemist. Though Euler has written more than Gauss, on pure maths, I rate Gauss higher. I've had to prove many of both' propositions in the past, and some of Gauss are the most complex I've encountered by far. It's unimagineable that somebody can come up with that.

At the age of 4 he was correcting the calculations of his father and on his 21st he wrote the basis for what is now still the Theory of Numbers. When he was 22 he proved the theory of roots for the algebraic equations.

He was very interested in the orbits of planets, and developed minimization methods including the method of least squares that are today still the methods to optimize in numerical methods. He apparently did almost all calculations in his head, including logarithmic ones.

In basically everything he tried, he had success. Before his death he formed the basis of the theory of magnetism.

In working on that he solved the incredibly complex theory of quadratic reciprocity, something that Euler proposed but couldn't prove.

The comparison between Bach and Gauss makes sense because Gauss basically completed a field of work, just like Bach did with the theory of music. Nothing big has been proven in pure maths since Gauss, except for maybe Fermat's proposition that has been proven by that Briton in the 90s.

There are still a couple of propositions by Gauss in pure numerical science that haven't been proven yet, and will probably never been proven unless he returns back to life.


I love the works of Chopin btw. I'm a baroque and renaissance recorder player, did conservatoire in that in the past, but nevertheless I love listening to piano. He was perhaps after Schubert one of the most influential composers of his time.
In terms of composition in the whole time spectrum, though, I don't rate Chopin near the highest.

I see Bach as the best ever, and nobody was actually close to him, and what he achieved in getting everything out of music. And after him, nobody tried to come close to his finesse, and in times of classical music and later, romantism, the loudness, impressionism and charisma of the performer were accentuated to come up with something new.
There was only Mozart, who wrote an ode to Bach in his requiem, and though it became his most famous work, it is not close to the 3 great works of Bach.

After Bach, there is a gap, after which I place Claudio Monteverdi 2nd, the man who "invented" opera, and the key figure in transition from Church-oriented Renaissance music to Baroque music. He was actually the biggest example to Bach himself.

And after Monteverdi, there is another huge gap, after which I rate a string of composers in all times including Frescobaldi and Steve Reich as most influential.

Reminds me something. I had a tough time proving some Gauss' propositions too. Sometimes, you had to use some tricks, I still don't know how he could think about them. In my class, I had a guy from Cameroon, he was 16 (we were 19) and he was able to see these things. Now, I know what a genius is. It's just unbelievable.


Well, if you're a baroque and renaissance player, I guess it's normal you prefer Bach. Even more since he's composed for many instruments.
The influence of Chopin in history is not comparable. Everything, or close, started with Bach. Pretty much nothing followed Chopin imo. Nothing comparable I mean. He created the basis of modern piano through these f*cking damn Etudes, but no one came after in the same field. And also, the structure of his compositions is very classic, but it sounds like nothing else. My favourite, but I'm mostly interested in the piano. Reason why.


What's your job exactly ?? What are you working on ?

[Massacanat]

Reminds me something. I had a tough time proving some Gauss' propositions too. Sometimes, you had to use some tricks, I still don't know how he could think about them. In my class, I had a guy from Cameroon, he was 16 (we were 19) and he was able to see these things. Now, I know what a genius is. It's just unbelievable.


The Gaussian is one of the most simple proofs but it takes a genius to come up with the distribution (simply take a Brownian with infinite steps).


Well, if you're a baroque and renaissance player, I guess it's normal you prefer Bach. Even more since he's composed for many instruments.
The influence of Chopin in history is not comparable. Everything, or close, started with Bach. Pretty much nothing followed Chopin imo. Nothing comparable I mean. He created the basis of modern piano through these f*cking damn Etudes, but no one came after in the same field. And also, the structure of his compositions is very classic, but it sounds like nothing else. My favourite, but I'm mostly interested in the piano. Reason why.


What's your job exactly ?? What are you working on ?

Chopin is a bit like the Kreisler for violin, but quite a lot nicer to listen to. My sister is a classical violin player.

I'm a scientist in the field of nano technology, specializing in self assembling structures called Metal Organic Frameworks. It's relatively new and the potentials are huge.
I'll start a Phd in September and in the mean time advise a company which produces membranes for separation. Right now I'm writing 2 publications, and possibly a 3rd for Science, before introducing myself to the company in Montpellier in June.

[Ben]

The Gaussian is one of the most simple proofs but it takes a genius to come up with the distribution (simply take a Brownian with infinite steps).



Chopin is a bit like the Kreisler for violin, but quite a lot nicer to listen to. My sister is a classical violin player.

I'm a scientist in the field of nano technology, specializing in self assembling structures called Metal Organic Frameworks. It's relatively new and the potentials are huge.
I'll start a Phd in September and in the mean time advise a company which produces membranes for separation. Right now I'm writing 2 publications, and possibly a 3rd for Science, before introducing myself to the company in Montpellier in June.

Yes, I remember those things. Gauss really had a nice way to prove his points.

Your job sounds very interesting. I never heard of it indeed but I'm not really in that field.

[Tnébreux]

I'm a physical chemist. Though Euler has written more than Gauss, on pure maths, I rate Gauss higher. I've had to prove many of both' propositions in the past, and some of Gauss are the most complex I've encountered by far. It's unimagineable that somebody can come up with that.

At the age of 4 he was correcting the calculations of his father and on his 21st he wrote the basis for what is now still the Theory of Numbers. When he was 22 he proved the theory of roots for the algebraic equations.

He was very interested in the orbits of planets, and developed minimization methods including the method of least squares that are today still the methods to optimize in numerical methods. He apparently did almost all calculations in his head, including logarithmic ones.

In basically everything he tried, he had success. Before his death he formed the basis of the theory of magnetism.

In working on that he solved the incredibly complex theory of quadratic reciprocity, something that Euler proposed but couldn't prove.

The comparison between Bach and Gauss makes sense because Gauss basically completed a field of work, just like Bach did with the theory of music. Nothing big has been proven in pure maths since Gauss, except for maybe Fermat's proposition that has been proven by that Briton in the 90s.

There are still a couple of propositions by Gauss in pure numerical science that haven't been proven yet, and will probably never been proven unless he returns back to life.


I love the works of Chopin btw. I'm a baroque and renaissance recorder player, did conservatoire in that in the past, but nevertheless I love listening to piano. He was perhaps after Schubert one of the most influential composers of his time.
In terms of composition in the whole time spectrum, though, I don't rate Chopin near the highest.

I see Bach as the best ever, and nobody was actually close to him, and what he achieved in getting everything out of music. And after him, nobody tried to come close to his finesse, and in times of classical music and later, romantism, the loudness, impressionism and charisma of the performer were accentuated to come up with something new.
There was only Mozart, who wrote an ode to Bach in his requiem, and though it became his most famous work, it is not close to the 3 great works of Bach.

After Bach, there is a gap, after which I place Claudio Monteverdi 2nd, the man who "invented" opera, and the key figure in transition from Church-oriented Renaissance music to Baroque music. He was actually the biggest example to Bach himself.

And after Monteverdi, there is another huge gap, after which I rate a string of composers in all times including Frescobaldi and Steve Reich as most influential.

It's funny that you see Gauss as the Bach of mathematics, because that's exactly what I think about Euler. Someone with an exceptional, versatile talent, who did not revolutionised his domain (he did not produce any major theory like Newton or Riemann) but formalised it and pushed it as far as it could go with the techniques of his time. The theorems he demonstrated are many, some among the most important in mathematics, and some of his results or his demonstrations are supremely elegant (exp(iπ)+1=0 for instance). He lived roughly at the same time as Bach, was like him devoutly religious (Lutheran), like him was married twice, like him had a numerous progeny (one of his descendants received the Nobel Prize) and like him became blind towards the end of his life...

I would compare Gauss to Beethoven, whom I greatly admire, but like less than Bach. Gauss was born 7 years after Beethoven. Both were child prodigies, both were creative geniuses, arguably even more important in the history of their chosen domain because they renewed, even revolutionised it, building on the achievement of their famous predecessor to open brand new worlds...

[Ben]

It's funny that you see Gauss as the Bach of mathematics, because that's exactly what I think about Euler. Someone with an exceptional, versatile talent, who did not revolutionised his domain (he did not produce any major theory like Newton or Riemann) but formalised it and pushed it as far as it could go with the techniques of his time. The theorems he demonstrated are many, some among the most important in mathematics, and some of his results or his demonstrations are supremely elegant (exp(iπ)+1=0 for instance). He lived roughly at the same time as Bach, was like him devoutly religious (Lutheran), like him was married twice, like him had a numerous progeny (one of his descendants received the Nobel Prize) and like him became blind towards the end of his life...

I would compare Gauss to Beethoven, whom I greatly admire, but like less than Bach. Gauss was born 7 years after Beethoven. Both were child prodigies, both were creative genius, arguably even more important in the history of their chosen domain because they renewed, even revolutionised it, building on the achievement of their famous predecessor to open brand new worlds...

Might be a sacrilege from me, but I think Beethoven is overated. Some pieces are fantastic but most of them aren't not so great to me, and not even a landmile in music history.
Don't get me wrong, he was one of the greatest, but he's famous like he's the god of music, what seems to me overated.

[JohnBuggy]

Le Mort Joyeux

Dans une terre grasse et pleine d'escargots
Je veux creuser moi-même une fosse profonde,
Où je puisse à loisir étaler mes vieux os
Et dormir dans l'oubli comme un requin dans l'onde.

Je hais les testaments et je hais les tombeaux;
Plutôt que d'implorer une larme du monde,
Vivant, j'aimerais mieux inviter les corbeaux
À saigner tous les bouts de ma carcasse immonde.

Ô vers! noirs compagnons sans oreille et sans yeux,
Voyez venir à vous un mort libre et joyeux;
Philosophes viveurs, fils de la pourriture,

À travers ma ruine allez donc sans remords,
Et dites-moi s'il est encor quelque torture
Pour ce vieux corps sans âme et mort parmi les morts!

by Charles Baudelaire
1821-1867, written in 1861



The Joyful Corpse

In a rich, heavy soil, infested with snails,
I wish to dig my own grave, wide and deep,
Where I can at leisure stretch out my old bones
And sleep in oblivion like a shark in the wave.

I have a hatred for testaments and for tombs;
Rather than implore a tear of the world,
I'd sooner, while alive, invite the crows
To drain the blood from my filthy carcass.

O worms! black companions with neither eyes nor ears,
See a dead man, joyous and free, approaching you;
Wanton philosophers, children of putrescence,

Go through my ruin then, without remorse,
And tell me if there still remains any torture
For this old soulless body, dead among the dead!


— Translated by William Aggeler

Try reading Emily Dickinson luv.

[Massacanat]

It's funny that you see Gauss as the Bach of mathematics, because that's exactly what I think about Euler. Someone with an exceptional, versatile talent, who did not revolutionised his domain (he did not produce any major theory like Newton or Riemann) but formalised it and pushed it as far as it could go with the techniques of his time. The theorems he demonstrated are many, some among the most important in mathematics, and some of his results or his demonstrations are supremely elegant (exp(iπ)+1=0 for instance). He lived roughly at the same time as Bach, was like him devoutly religious (Lutheran), like him was married twice, like him had a numerous progeny (one of his descendants received the Nobel Prize) and like him became blind towards the end of his life...

I would compare Gauss to Beethoven, whom I greatly admire, but like less than Bach. Gauss was born 7 years after Beethoven. Both were child prodigies, both were creative geniuses, arguably even more important in the history of their chosen domain because they renewed, even revolutionised it, building on the achievement of their famous predecessor to open brand new worlds...

I see Gauss way more as a completer of mathematics than Euler. He proved a couple of propositions Euler came up with but didn't manage to prove. Euler came up with the imaginary numbers, Gauss finished it and published the final link in his Theory of Numbers, which is still the standard work of today. Euler came up with the reciprocity proposition, could never prove it although he tried for years. Gauss wanted to use it for his work on magnetism, and literally wrote the proof down in an afternoon. He was a freak.

I'd say Euler and Newton (underrated as mathematician) are the Monteverdis and Frescobaldis who started the baroque and the new type of mathematics, and Gauss is the Bach, who finished it.

Gauss proved so much, that since him there hasn't been any mathematical finishing left except for the last one of Fermat, which was proven 16 odd years ago.

[Massacanat]

Don't get me wrong, he was one of the greatest, but he's famous like he's the god of music, what seems to me overated.

Because, and I know I sounds snobby, his music is incredible accessible. It's not quite as woeful as Strauss but most is rather uncomplicated and bombastic of nature.

John from around the corner loves it for that, too. That's made him famous.

As composer, he's not in my top 20. Though I can understand why people like him.

[JohnBuggy]

I'm a physical chemist. Though Euler has written more than Gauss, on pure maths, I rate Gauss higher. I've had to prove many of both' propositions in the past, and some of Gauss are the most complex I've encountered by far. It's unimagineable that somebody can come up with that.

At the age of 4 he was correcting the calculations of his father and on his 21st he wrote the basis for what is now still the Theory of Numbers. When he was 22 he proved the theory of roots for the algebraic equations.

He was very interested in the orbits of planets, and developed minimization methods including the method of least squares that are today still the methods to optimize in numerical methods. He apparently did almost all calculations in his head, including logarithmic ones.

In basically everything he tried, he had success. Before his death he formed the basis of the theory of magnetism.

In working on that he solved the incredibly complex theory of quadratic reciprocity, something that Euler proposed but couldn't prove.

The comparison between Bach and Gauss makes sense because Gauss basically completed a field of work, just like Bach did with the theory of music. Nothing big has been proven in pure maths since Gauss, except for maybe Fermat's proposition that has been proven by that Briton in the 90s.

There are still a couple of propositions by Gauss in pure numerical science that haven't been proven yet, and will probably never been proven unless he returns back to life.


I love the works of Chopin btw. I'm a baroque and renaissance recorder player, did conservatoire in that in the past, but nevertheless I love listening to piano. He was perhaps after Schubert one of the most influential composers of his time.
In terms of composition in the whole time spectrum, though, I don't rate Chopin near the highest.

I see Bach as the best ever, and nobody was actually close to him, and what he achieved in getting everything out of music. And after him, nobody tried to come close to his finesse, and in times of classical music and later, romantism, the loudness, impressionism and charisma of the performer were accentuated to come up with something new.
There was only Mozart, who wrote an ode to Bach in his requiem, and though it became his most famous work, it is not close to the 3 great works of Bach.

After Bach, there is a gap, after which I place Claudio Monteverdi 2nd, the man who "invented" opera, and the key figure in transition from Church-oriented Renaissance music to Baroque music. He was actually the biggest example to Bach himself.

And after Monteverdi, there is another huge gap, after which I rate a string of composers in all times including Frescobaldi and Steve Reich as most influential.

I agree. I'm an Engineer, but I've decided that I don't like it anymore, so I'm studying mathematics at night. The proof that you refer to, that every polynomial has at least one root is called The fundamental theorem of Algebra. Eric Bell reckoned that Mathematics would have advanced by 50 years had Gauss released all his notes before he died.

As for music, I can never make my mind up. I love Beethoven's symphonies, and later sonatas. Bach's well tempered clavier is beautiful. However I must say, that Chopin just does "it" for me, whatever "it" is. I've even been to his grave in Pere Lachaise. Here's Vladimir Ashkenazy playing Etude No.1 in C Major (which was probably inspired by Bach's prelude no.1 from the well tempered clavier).


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[Massacanat]

Eric Bell reckoned that Mathematics would have advanced by 50 years had Gauss released all his notes before he died.



Was he the one who wrote that? It's quite widely accepted that's the case. It's also said Gauss never wrote down some of his "deeper" thoughts.

I wonder how deep they are.

[Massacanat]

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Technically, amazing. In my conservatoire time, the piano students were the ones studying the most, up to 12 hours a day.

[JohnBuggy]

Was he the one who wrote that? It's quite widely accepted that's the case. It's also said Gauss never wrote down some of his "deeper" thoughts.

I wonder how deep they are.

Yes. Refer to Eric Bell "Men of Mathematics". Here's a link:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Men-Mathematics-Touchstone-Books-Bell/dp/0671628186/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271286931&sr=1-1

You should be able to purchase it at your local bookshop, or order it.

Gauss rarely discussed the intuition behind his mathematical ideas. He was reserved, taciturn, conservative, and incredibly, he disliked teaching. He led a frugal life, and suffered from depression caused by the death of his first wife. Apparently he never got over her death.

[JohnBuggy]

Technically, amazing. In my conservatoire time, the piano students were the ones studying the most, up to 12 hours a day.

It requires use of the entire arm mechanism - unlike a lot of studies that focus solely on the fingers - and is therefore physically aswell as technically demanding. It's purpose is to develop the dexterity of fingers "2", "3" and "4" and the flexibilty of the right hand. Hence the rapid arpeggios. Moreover it is much more harmonious than say Czerny's studies (which were used extensively to drill pianists in technique. You probably know this from your time at the conservatoire). Both sets of Chopin's etudes are not only technical studies, but beautiful harmonies in their own right.

Maurizio Pollini recorded the entire set Opus 10 & 25 for Decca. Here's a link:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chopin-Etudes-Op-10-25/dp/B000001G5H/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1271287934&sr=1-4

[JohnBuggy]

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[Massacanat]

It requires use of the entire arm mechanism - unlike a lot of studies that focus solely on the fingers - and is therefore physically aswell as technically demanding. It's purpose is to develop the dexterity of fingers "2", "3" and "4" and the flexibilty of the right hand. Hence the rapid arpeggios. Moreover it is much more harmonious than say Czerny's studies (which were used extensively to drill pianists in technique. You probably know this from your time at the conservatoire). Both sets of Chopin's etudes are not only technical studies, but beautiful harmonies in their own right.

Maurizio Pollini recorded the entire set Opus 10 & 25 for Decca. Here's a link:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chopin-Etudes-Op-10-25/dp/B000001G5H/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1271287934&sr=1-4

Depends on the type of music too. I realise now that for some pieces recorder players also studied up to those kind of times.

The best CD I have listened to that comes closest to piano play is the organ play (I love organ) of Rinaldo Alessandrini. In particular his performance on Fiori Musicali from Frescobaldi is breathtaking.

http://www.amazon.com/Frescobaldi-Fiori-Musicali-Rinaldo-Alessandrini/dp/B000067FFR

But organ isn't very popular anymore these days, so it's not everybody's cup of tea.

[Ben]

It requires use of the entire arm mechanism - unlike a lot of studies that focus solely on the fingers - and is therefore physically aswell as technically demanding. It's purpose is to develop the dexterity of fingers "2", "3" and "4" and the flexibilty of the right hand. Hence the rapid arpeggios. Moreover it is much more harmonious than say Czerny's studies (which were used extensively to drill pianists in technique. You probably know this from your time at the conservatoire). Both sets of Chopin's etudes are not only technical studies, but beautiful harmonies in their own right.


So true !!
Some of them are like the first steps of jazz, some represent the nature in Debussy's style, there are nocturns (3rd for instance), and what to say about the last ones ? Masterpieces, all of them, all different, all challenging your skills in a specific area and yet played in concert like any other piece.
I did dare start working on some of them, I wish I had more time to spend on these.

[Tnébreux]

I see Gauss way more as a completer of mathematics than Euler. He proved a couple of propositions Euler came up with but didn't manage to prove. Euler came up with the imaginary numbers, Gauss finished it and published the final link in his Theory of Numbers, which is still the standard work of today. Euler came up with the reciprocity proposition, could never prove it although he tried for years. Gauss wanted to use it for his work on magnetism, and literally wrote the proof down in an afternoon. He was a freak.

I'd say Euler and Newton (underrated as mathematician) are the Monteverdis and Frescobaldis who started the baroque and the new type of mathematics, and Gauss is the Bach, who finished it.

Gauss proved so much, that since him there hasn't been any mathematical finishing left except for the last one of Fermat, which was proven 16 odd years ago.

Certainly, there's no question that Gauss proved the theorem of quadratic reciprocity which was only conjectured by Euler, and proved the fundamental theorem of algebra, where Euler had failed (let's not forget though that d'Alembert had made some good progress on the latter, using a different method from Gauss's final proof). However, given the timeline, it would have been difficult for Euler to solve a problem where Gauss would have failed! He himself proved many important theorems. There is no way of knowing if Gauss would have proven all of them had they remained to be proven.

Gauss himself left some problem unsolved. For instance in the domain of imaginary quadratic fields, the so-called "Gauss conjecture" about the class number and its limit was proven by Hans Heilbronn in 1934 (of course, there is no suggestion that Heilbronn was a greater mathematician than Gauss). Gauss was also unable to prove that the Euler-Mascheroni constant is irrational, although he did study it. In fact, the problem remains open.

I am not sure what you mean by "there hasn't been any mathematical finishing left" since Gauss. I take it that you are not suggesting there has been no progress in mathematics since him. But if you are talking of problems remaining open, besides those I mentioned above, or Fermat's last theorem, there are quite a few that were know at the time of Gauss that still remain unsolved, and some more that have been solved since Gauss (the Kepler conjecture, for instance).

In the end, it is clear both Euler and Gauss (and Newton since you mention him) are among the 5 or 6 best mathematicians of all times. Their relative ranking at such a high level becomes a subjective question. For instance, like Euler, analysis is the part of maths that I like best (I am definitely much less gifted than him though...)

[Tnébreux]

So true !!
Some of them are like the first steps of jazz, some represent the nature in Debussy's style, there are nocturns (3rd for instance), and what to say about the last ones ? Masterpieces, all of them, all different, all challenging your skills in a specific area and yet played in concert like any other piece.
I did dare start working on some of them, I wish I had more time to spend on these.

I love Chopin's Etudes, probably my favourite pieces by him. But the key word there is "challenging"!
I've always liked the way François-René Duchâble plays Chopin, and especially the Etudes. Here he is as the guest of Jean-François Zygel's excellent program on French television.


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[Ben]

I love Chopin's Etudes, probably my favourite pieces by him. But the key word there is "challenging"!
I've always liked the way François-René Duchâble plays Chopin, and especially the Etudes. Here he is as the guest of Jean-François Zygel's excellent program on French television.


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I really like this program as well.

I love Etudes, but I'm just unable to say what I prefer. Too many things come immediately to my mind.
The 4 Scherzos and Ballades are just amazing, I especially love the 4th Ballade. 2nd Sonata is comes from nowhere, pure genius, the 3rd is so beautiful with that amazing final.
Some Polonaise and Valse are great as well. There is a specific part of the 1st Concerto I could hear endlessly, 2nd Concerto is also amazing. Fantaisies are great as well (Op.49 is not famous but so beautiful)
And of course Nocturnes...

If I had to say just one, I'd go for the 4ème Ballade en fa mineur. Perfection reached to me: introduction, main theme, transitions, ending, there's not part I like less than the others. I play it a bit. Well, play is not exactly the word, making attempts would suit me better.

Here it is, in 2 parts by Zimerman (whom I saw in concert in Toulouse recently, made me fall into severe depression for several weeks, I'd give a lot to have his hands...).

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[Assurancetourix]

TRIUMPHAL MARCH, FROM VERDI´S "AIDA"

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[BIP]

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[JohnBuggy]

Zimerman has great hands. His fingering is amazing. :f_smiley:
That ballade is one of my favourites.

Anyone in here like Gabriel Faure ??

It's nice to see some relaxing classical music on these boards.

[Ben]

Zimerman has great hands. His fingering is amazing. :f_smiley:
That ballade is one of my favourites.

Anyone in here like Gabriel Faure ??

It's nice to see some relaxing classical music on these boards.

I do. I really like Faure.
Must say it's a style in itself and it's clearly not something anyone can like.

He's clearly one of the greatest ever to me. He's totally underated, most people don't even know who he is.

[Allez Thomas]

His Pavane was used as the music for the 1998 world cup by the BBC so I always remember it fondly. I don't know any of his other music though.

[JohnBuggy]

His Pavane was used as the music for the 1998 world cup by the BBC so I always remember it fondly. I don't know any of his other music though.

Yes, that is correct. That's a very nice piece of music. Here, however, for your enjoyment is "In Paradisum" from his Requiem.

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[Massacanat]

So true !!
Some of them are like the first steps of jazz, some represent the nature in Debussy's style, there are nocturns (3rd for instance), and what to say about the last ones ? Masterpieces, all of them, all different, all challenging your skills in a specific area and yet played in concert like any other piece.
I did dare start working on some of them, I wish I had more time to spend on these.

With Reich the best post-Bach composer IMO.

[Assurancetourix]

Vivaldi Concerto in E minor for bassoon MVT 3

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[le diable noir]

Il Barbiere di Siviglia. Roberto Servile

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[Tnébreux]

"A un dottor della mia sorte", also from Il barbiere:


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The funniest part is at 3:38...

[le diable noir]

http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-73669-galleryV9-odan.jpg

"The Bride Who Married a Camel's Head" by Wangechi Mutu

[BIP]

The beautiful words and images thread has never been , is not and will never be legit without L'Origine Du Monde de Courbet

http://www.lepoint.fr/content/system/media/6/20090224/photo_1235495206170-1-0.jpg


and we all know that ....don't pretend guys!!!

[le diable noir]

http://www.laboo.biz/articoli/arte/nascita-di-venere.jpg


Botticelli, La nascita di Venere

[Ben]

Méditation de Thaïs by Massenet:

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my favourite violin piece, with Beethoven's concerto.

[JohnBuggy]

Méditation de Thaïs by Massenet:

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my favourite violin piece, with Beethoven's concerto.


A beautiful piece of music.

[JohnBuggy]

The beautiful words and images thread has never been , is not and will never be legit without L'Origine Du Monde de Courbet

http://www.lepoint.fr/content/system/media/6/20090224/photo_1235495206170-1-0.jpg


and we all know that ....don't pretend guys!!!

Nice portrait of Tigs.

[JohnBuggy]

Etude No.3 ("Deep is the night", "Tristesse" ) by F Chopin.

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[Ben]

Etude No.3 ("Deep is the night", "Tristesse" ) by F Chopin.

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My favourite Etude. More a nocturne than anything else.

[le diable noir]

http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-89981-galleryV9-blih.jpg


"Le pigeon aux petits pois", Pablo Picasso

[le diable noir]

http://images.artnet.com/artwork_images_424223663_473206_charles-chaplin.jpg

'Femme en Rose' by Charles Chaplin (1884)

[le diable noir]

L'Albatros

Souvent, pour s'amuser, les hommes d'équipage
Prennent des albatros, vastes oiseaux des mers,
Qui suivent, indolents compagnons de voyage,
Le navire glissant sur les gouffres amers.

A peine les ont-ils déposés sur les planches,
Que ces rois de l'azur, maladroits et honteux,
Laissent piteusement leurs grandes ailes blanches
Comme des avirons traîner à côté d'eux.

Ce voyageur ailé, comme il est gauche et veule!
Lui, naguère si beau, qu'il est comique et laid!
L'un agace son bec avec un brûle-gueule,
L'autre mime, en boitant, l'infirme qui volait!

Le Poète est semblable au prince des nuées
Qui hante la tempête et se rit de l'archer;
Exilé sur le sol au milieu des huées,
Ses ailes de géant l'empêchent de marcher.

Charles Baudelaire

[le diable noir]

Léo Ferré - L'albatros

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[le diable noir]

http://cdn1.lostateminor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kieron-williamson5.jpg

Paint by Kieron Williamson (obviously 6 years old when he did this picture).


http://www.lostateminor.com/tag/art-prodigy/

[Tnébreux]

Quoted in the sitcom Frasier:

...It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in the old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are,
One equal-temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

Alfred, Lord Tennyson

[Tnébreux]

There will be very soon an exhibition about Canaletto at the National Galery in London, so I though this would be quite topical. It is a view of London as seen through an arch of Westminster bridge, by Canaletto obviously, Interestingly, Saint Paul's Cathedral looks here like it's on the South Bank, but I guess it's just the bend of the Thames, and the fact that Saint Paul is not far from the river anyway.

http://www.wga.hu/art/c/canalett/7/canal702.jpg

[tigran]

I've visisted the musée des beaux arts et Magritte in Bruxelles, and I've seen the real tentation de Saint-Antoine from Bosch...

magnifique..

Dali's one was just a less delirium copy of this one...

http://www.insecula.com/PhotosNew/00/00/08/77/ME0000087704_3.JPG




Delirium details in the alternate BIAW thread of the BBboard..
http://www.rugbyrebels.com/mb/showpost.php?p=1798216&postcount=123

[tigran]

The Tableaux from Bruegel reminded me of the colors in the tableaux of Miro..


http://fishmarketblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bruegelcarnival.jpg

[le diable noir]

Chant d'automne

Bientôt nous plongerons dans les froides ténèbres;
Adieu, vive clarté de nos étés trop courts!
J'entends déjà tomber avec des chocs funèbres
Le bois retentissant sur le pavé des cours.

Tout l'hiver va rentrer dans mon être: colère,
Haine, frissons, horreur, labeur dur et forcé,
Et, comme le soleil dans son enfer polaire.
Mon coeur ne sera plus qu'un bloc rouge et glacé.

J'écoute en frémissant chaque bûche qui tombe;
L'échafaud qu'on bâtit n'a pas d'écho plus sourd.
Mon esprit est pareil à la tour qui succombe
Sous les coups du bélier infatigable et lourd.

Il me semble, bercé par ce choc monotone,
Qu'on cloue en grande hâte un cercueil quelque part...
Pour qui? C'était hier l'été; voici l'automne!
Ce bruit mystérieux sonne comme un départ.

* * * * *

J'aime de vos longs yeux la lumière verdâtre,
Douce beauté, mais tout aujourd'hui m'est amer,
Et rien, ni votre amour, ni le boudoir, ni l'âtre,
Ne me vaut le soleil rayonnant sur la mer.

Et pourtant aimez-moi, tendre coeur! soyez mère
Même pour un ingrat, même pour un méchant;
Amante ou soeur, soyez la douceur éphémère
D'un glorieux automne ou d'un soleil couchant.

Courte tâche! La tombe attend; elle est avide!
Ah! laissez-moi, mon front posé sur vos genoux,
Goûter, en regrettant l'été blanc et torride,
De l'arrière-saison le rayon jaune et doux!


Charles Baudelaire

[le diable noir]

http://vinonyc.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/absinthe-degas.jpg?w=436&h=599


Edgar Dégas, “L’Absinthe”, 1876, Musée d’Orsay, Paris.

[le diable noir]

My heart's in the Highlands, my heart is not here,
My heart's in the Highlands a-chasing the deer -
A-chasing the wild deer, and following the roe;
My heart's in the Highlands, wherever I go.

Farewell to the Highlands, farewell to the North
The birth place of Valour, the country of Worth;
Wherever I wander, wherever I rove,
The hills of the Highlands for ever I love.

Farewell to the mountains high cover'd with snow;
Farewell to the straths and green valleys below;
Farewell to the forrests and wild-hanging woods;
Farwell to the torrents and loud-pouring floods.

My heart's in the Highlands, my heart is not here,
My heart's in the Highlands a-chasing the deer
Chasing the wild deer, and following the roe;
My heart's in the Highlands, whereever I go.



Robert Burns

[switchskier]

Even as a scotsman I never managed to really appreciate burns. For me this is more poetic:

"Well shes walking through the clouds
With a circus mind that's running wild
Butterflies and zebras and moonbeams and fairy tales
That's all she ever thinks about
Riding with the wind."

[Tnébreux]

Nothing gold can stay

Nature's first green is gold
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.


Robert Frost

[Knock On]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lBkuz1TlVc

The Cremation of Sam McGee

One of my favourites

[Tnébreux]

There's a Gauguin exhibition finishing these days in London. Very interesting, and informative, with plenting of paintings, some little known. Still, the best ones are the ones we all know, like this one:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_a1k6xIP6S_Q/S4pc4wUJIzI/AAAAAAAACPQ/WFhBeGPk7cM/Deux+femmes+tahitienne+avec+des+fleurs+de+mangue.j pg

This is the most faithful reproduction I could find, but it doesn't really do justice to the original. In spite of the bright, contrasting colours, it gives an impression of harmonious serenity. Heaven on earth...

[tigran]

There's a controversy at the moment about La Gioconda...

Some Italians are saying the model of Da Vinci was a man, his lover.

http://www.rfi.fr/europe/20110203-joconde-homme

[baobob]

Deja 20 ans....

One of the best of Serge gainsbourg
This is just at the level of Apollinaire or Rimbaud!!

Variation sur Marilou :

Dans son regard absent
Et son iris absinthe
Tandis que Marilou s'amuse à faire des vol
Utes de sèches au menthol
Entre deux bulles de comic-strip
Tout en jouant avec le zip
De ses Levi's
Je lis le vice
Et je pense à Caroll Lewis.

Dans son regard absent
Et son iris absinthe
Tandis que Marilou s'évertue à faire des vol
Utes de sèches au menthol
Entre deux bulles de comic-strip
Tout en jouant avec son zip
A entrebailler ses Levi's
Dans son regard absent et son iris
Absinthe dis-je je lis le vice
De baby doll
Et je pense à Lewis
Caroll.

Dans son regard absent
Et son iris absinthe
Quand crachent les enceintes
De la sono lançant
Accord de quartes et de quintes
Tandis que Marilou s'esquinte
La santé s'éreinte
A s'envoyer en l'air...

Lorsqu'en un songe absurde
Marilou se résorbe
Que son coma l'absorbe
En pratiques obscures
Sa pupille est absente
Mais son iris absinthe
Sous ses gestes se teinte
D'extases sous-jacentes
A son regard le vice
Donne un côté salace
Un peu du bleu lavasse
De sa paire de Levi's
Et tandis qu'elle exhale
Un soupir au menthol
Ma débile mentale
Perdue en son exil
Physique et cérébral
Joue avec le métal
De son zip et l'atoll
De corail apparaît
Elle s'y coca-colle
Un doigt qui en arrêt
Au bord de la corolle
Est pris près du calice
Du vertige d'Alice
De Lewis Caroll.

Lorsqu'en songes obscurs
Marilou se résorbe
Que son coma l'absorbe
En des rêves absurdes
Sa pupille s'absente
Et son iris absinthe
Subrepticement se teinte
De plaisirs en attente
Perdue dans son exil
Physique et cérébral
Un à un elle exhale
Des soupirs fébriles
Parfumés au menthol
Ma débile mentale
Fais tinter le métal
De son zip et Narcisse
Elle pousse le vice
Dans la nuit bleue lavasse
De sa paire de Levi's
Arrivée au pubis
De son sexe corail
Ecartant la corolle
Prise au bord du calice
De vertigo Alice
S'enfonce jusqu'à l'os
Au pays des malices
De Lewis Caroll.

Pupille absente iris
Absinthe baby doll
Ecoute ses idoles
Jimi Hendrix Elvis
Presley T-Rex Alice
Cooper Lou Reed les Roll
Ing Stones elle en est folle
Là-dessus cette Narcisse
Se plonge avec délice
Dans la nuit bleu pétrole
De sa paire de Levi's
Elle arrive au pubis
Et très cool au menthol
Elle se self contrôle
Son petit orifice
Enfin poussant le vice
Jusqu'au bord du calice
D'un doigt sex-symbole
S'écartant la corolle
Sur fond de rock-and-roll
S'égare mon Alice
Au pays des malices
De Lewis Caroll.

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[baobob]

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[le diable noir]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2647/3845397593_ea94bbb2ff.jpg

La fontaine Stravinski

[baobob]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2647/3845397593_ea94bbb2ff.jpg

La fontaine Stravinski

Niki de Saint Phalle et Jean Tinguely
Paix a leurs ames!!!

[Tnébreux]

There's a big Da Vinci exhibition opening next month at the National Gallery in London. Here's a fix while we're waiting:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Leonardo_da_Vinci_050.jpg/405px-Leonardo_da_Vinci_050.jpg

[Tnébreux]

Quintessentially English: painted in homage to an English king, probably on his request, now in the National Gallery, and that flag looks like George's cross. But the painter could have been French or Italian.

http://humidfruit.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/wilton-1.jpeg

[bigflanker]

J'adore Canaletto. T'as mis la Thames pour les ros-bifs, mais ses tableaux de Venize sont mes preferes. Truely a master.

[le diable noir]

http://www.ilovechrisbaker.com/projects/nsfw/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/b0049665_937176-800x299.jpg

D'Où Venons Nous/ Que Sommes Nous/ Où Allons nous – Paul Gauguin (1897-1898)

[le diable noir]

TROIS POÉSIES

I

Pour la ruée écrasante
De mille bêtes hagardes
le soleil n'éclaire plus
Qu'un monument de raisons.

Porront-ils, mal venus
De leur sale quartier,
La mère, le soldat,
Et la petite en rose,

Pourront-ils, pourront-ils
Passer? Ivre, bondis,
Et tire, tire, true,
Tire sur les autos!



II

Quel artificier
Tu meurs! Fauve César!

Bigarre le parterre
Aux jeux avariés!

Brandis ta rage courte
En torche! Rugis rouge!

Et roule mort, gorgé
D'empire et de nuées!



III

Ces vieux toits
quatre fois
résignés

Ce hameau
sans fenêtre
sous les feuilles

C’est ton coeur
quatre fois
racorni

ta sagesse
hermétique
ô tortue !



Francis Ponge (1899-1988), Douze petits écrits

[Tnébreux]

Another exhibition in London, at Tate Britain this time:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/MARTIN_John_Great_Day_of_His_Wrath.jpg

John Martin, The great day of His wrath

[le diable noir]

http://www.kunstfreunde-blog.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/rizzi-mainz.jpg


James Rizzi (1950-2011), Lets all meet in Mainz, 2008

[le diable noir]

http://www.artnet.de/artwork_images_424167616_393036_james-rizzi.jpg


James Rizzi, The World will be watching, 1998

[Tnébreux]

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/art/19th/belgian/wauters01.jpg

For Diable: a Belgian painting, about a Belgian (well, Flemish, there was no Belgium at the time) painter: The madness of Hugo van der Goes.

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Hugo_van_der_Goes_009.jpg/412px-Hugo_van_der_Goes_009.jpg

Fall of man (La Chute / De zondeval / der Sündenfall) by Hugo van der Goes (presumably painted 1480 – or a couple of years prior to 1480)

[terminal2]

Comprendre, c'est pardoner.

De Stael

[le diable noir]

http://www.ifalsidiautore.it/quadri/grandi/BOt%20flamenco.JPG

Flamenco, by Fernando Botero, 1984

[Tnébreux]

Rondel

Il fait noir, enfant, voleur d'étincelles !
Il n'est plus de nuits, il n'est plus de jours ;
Dors... en attendant venir toutes celles
Qui disaient : Jamais ! Qui disaient : Toujours !

Entends-tu leurs pas ?... Ils ne sont pas lourds :
Oh ! les pieds légers ! - l'Amour a des ailes...
Il fait noir, enfant, voleur d'étincelles !
Entends-tu leurs voix ?... Les caveaux sont sourds.

Dors : il pèse peu, ton faix d'immortelles ;
Ils ne viendront pas, tes amis les ours,
Jeter leur pavé sur tes demoiselles...
Il fait noir, enfant, voleur d'étincelles !

Tristan Corbière

[le diable noir]

Petit mort pour rire

Va vite, léger peigneur de comètes !
Les herbes au vent seront tes cheveux ;
De ton œil béant jailliront les feux
Follets, prisonniers dans les pauvres têtes...

Les fleurs de tombeau qu’on nomme Amourettes
Foisonneront plein ton rire terreux...
Et les myosotis, ces fleurs d’oubliettes...

Ne fais pas le lourd : cercueils de poètes
Pour les croque-morts sont de simples jeux,
Boîtes à violon qui sonnent le creux...
Ils te croiront mort — Les bourgeois sont bêtes —
Va vite, léger peigneur de comètes !

Tristan Corbière

[le diable noir]

http://dawncompk.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/rubens-belgium-france-afp-5.jpg?w=670

“Le triomphe de Judas Macchabée” by Pierre Paul Rubens, 1635.

[Tnébreux]

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/bruegel/death.jpg

The triumph of Death, by Brueghel, another Flemish painter.

[tigran]

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/bruegel/death.jpg

The triumph of Death, by Brueghel, another Flemish painter.

I think I love all of Bruegel paintings..

[tigran]

IF.....

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Rudyard Kipling.

[francoisfou]

IF.....

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Rudyard Kipling.

Compulsory reading from time to time.
A beautiful poem! Thanks, Tig!

[francoisfou]

[SIZE="3"]I wandered lonely as a cloud


I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.

Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the milky way,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.

The waves beside them danced; but they
Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,
In such a jocund company:
I gazed---and gazed---but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:

For oft, when on my couch I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.

William Wordsworth (1770 - 1850

[Tnébreux]

Ellsworth Kelly, Spectrum colors arranged by chance II

http://farticulate.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/18878w_grunenberg_04.jpg?w=640

[le diable noir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/John_Constable_The_Hay_Wain.jpg/800px-John_Constable_The_Hay_Wain.jpg

The Hay Wain by John Constable, 1821

[Tnébreux]

Okay, maybe not a "beautiful" image, but one of the most important works of art of the 20th century:

http://files-cdn.formspring.me/photos/20120920/n505be2286053a.jpg