Europeans working in UK

[lethalflanker]

My daughter is 18 soon and wants to come over to the UK to work this summer however my ex won't let come as she says that as she is registered in France and without a national insurance number she cannot work in the UK. Now I have checked with HMRC and they tell me that my daughter was issued with a NI number on her 16th birthday and it needs to be activated to use it. The ex countered that using her UK NI number would invalidate her 'carte vitale' and that it would take months to reinstate it.
Now my understanding is that there is free movement of trade and peoples throughout the EU and as far as I can see that my daughter, who by the way is still a British passport holder, should be free work in the UK.

Can anyone tell what the legal on this matter is? I'd be very grateful.

[WaspInWales]

I can see where this thread is going...

[BOB]

Before this goes to a would you thread I will ask my mate who does employment law

[Greg1863]

16 is fair game, Bob.

[Leniency?]

Whats your relationship like with your ex?

[canute]

My daughter is 18 soon and wants to come over to the UK to work this summer however my ex won't let come as she says that as she is registered in France and without a national insurance number she cannot work in the UK. Now I have checked with HMRC and they tell me that my daughter was issued with a NI number on her 16th birthday and it needs to be activated to use it. The ex countered that using her UK NI number would invalidate her 'carte vitale' and that it would take months to reinstate it.
Now my understanding is that there is free movement of trade and peoples throughout the EU and as far as I can see that my daughter, who by the way is still a British passport holder, should be free work in the UK.

Can anyone tell what the legal on this matter is? I'd be very grateful.

Your ex is full of sh*t.

[Leniency?]

Your ex is full of sh*t.

Hence why I asked what his relationship is with his ex.

[lethalflanker]

Whats your relationship like with your ex?


It's not great, hence why I'm asking about the law aspect so I can present a reasoned argument without having to go to court which it seems sometimes is her default setting.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

I'm pretty sure that
a) your ex is talking ballix
b) that since your daughter is going to be 18 she can do what the hell she likes, with or without your ex's "permission".

[Leniency?]

It's not great, hence why I'm asking about the law aspect so I can present a reasoned argument without having to go to court which it seems sometimes is her default setting.

I know a guy who knows a guy that rolls with a guy that can make people like that disappear. Just kidding.

Sounds like an awful situation bro, but unfortunately I'm no expert on this tort o ting. Hope you get it sorted.

[OHS]

16 is fair game, Bob.

If there's grass on the field, play ball.

[Leniency?]

If there's grass on the field, play ball.

If theres grass on the wicket, lets play cricket.

[Spooony]

Just tell her to stay away from the Serbians.

[Spooony]

If theres grass on the wicket, lets play cricket.

Old enough to bleed old enough to be butchered

[Leniency?]

Old enough to bleed old enough to be butchered

If they can crawl they're in the right position.

[Prysiau]

Flanker must be so grateful for all these helpful responses.

[Owain Glyndwr]

I know a few French people who have worked or done paid internships in the UK and then gone back to France to work with absolutely no hassles whatsoever. Even if your did not have a NI number it would be no hassle at all to get one. Your ex is being deliberately obtuse.

[BOB]

Had a chat with my mate flanker
She can work over here anyway. He said activate her ni number and get her over. You and her mum have no legal power over her now. It is her call. The ex cannot stop her even via a court. He also said get her to apply for a British passport so she has a French and British passport

[hwntw]

Had a chat with my mate flanker
She can work over here anyway. He said activate her ni number and get her over. You and her mum have no legal power over her now. It is her call. The ex cannot stop her even via a court. He also said get her to apply for a British passport so she has a French and British passport

She already has a British passport, Bob.

[BOB]

She already has a British passport, Bob.

Doh. My bad H.

[Spooony]

If they can crawl they're in the right position.
If they sit on the toilet and their feet can touch the ground they are liable

[WaspInWales]

I can see where this thread is going...

Took a while but we got there in the end :)

[Spooony]

Took a while but we got there in the end :)

http://www.gdargaud.net/Humor/Pics/Lickable.jpg

[Which Tyler]

My daughter is 18 soon and wants to come over to the UK to work this summer however my ex won't let come as she says that as she is registered in France and without a national insurance number she cannot work in the UK. Now I have checked with HMRC and they tell me that my daughter was issued with a NI number on her 16th birthday and it needs to be activated to use it. The ex countered that using her UK NI number would invalidate her 'carte vitale' and that it would take months to reinstate it.
Now my understanding is that there is free movement of trade and peoples throughout the EU and as far as I can see that my daughter, who by the way is still a British passport holder, should be free work in the UK.

Can anyone tell what the legal on this matter is? I'd be very grateful.
Your ex is talking out of her arse.
Absolutely no barriers for her to live and work over here, even if she didn't have a GB passport / NI number etc.

[adderdabadder]

As your daughter, I'm part Brit(scottish)/part frog. I have both a British Ni number and a french carte vitale (oh no, I've lost it). SHouldn't be a problem... I worked in hospitality and a fish factory in Scotland when I was 17...

[canute]

As your daughter, I'm part Brit(scottish)/part frog. I have both a British Ni number and a french carte vitale (oh no, I've lost it). SHouldn't be a problem... I worked in hospitality and a fish factory in Scotland when I was 17...

:eek:

[KK67]

Always treat the ex with kid gloves.

How long is the trip on Eurostar..?.

[lethalflanker]

Always treat the ex with kid gloves.

How long is the trip on Eurostar..?.

Naaah!! She bites so easily it's too much fun not too!!

Anyway, in amongst her latest output of personal bile e-mailed to me where these two links as an explanation for her not letting my daughter come over. As far as she's read it she's worried that my daughter's earnings will be added onto hers and will result in her losing some of her benefits, she doesn't work BTW. Can anyone see how this would be, because I can't see it?



http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/anyanswers/question/nt-paye


http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/anyanswers/question/income-tax-implications-living-france

[canute]

Naaah!! She bites so easily it's too much fun not too!!

Anyway, in amongst her latest output of personal bile e-mailed to me where these two links as an explanation for her not letting my daughter come over. As far as she's read it she's worried that my daughter's earnings will be added onto hers and will result in her losing some of her benefits, she doesn't work BTW. Can anyone see how this would be, because I can't see it?



http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/anyanswers/question/nt-paye


http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/anyanswers/question/income-tax-implications-living-france

If your daughter wants to go over to the UK to work, I would suggest you pay her air fare and tell your ex to go f**k herself.

[Which Tyler]

Naaah!! She bites so easily it's too much fun not too!!

Anyway, in amongst her latest output of personal bile e-mailed to me where these two links as an explanation for her not letting my daughter come over. As far as she's read it she's worried that my daughter's earnings will be added onto hers and will result in her losing some of her benefits, she doesn't work BTW. Can anyone see how this would be, because I can't see it?



http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/anyanswers/question/nt-paye


http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/anyanswers/question/income-tax-implications-living-france
Surely if your daughter was in a different country to your ex - then she wouldn't be part of the same household. The only way I could see it having an effect is if they claim benefits together as 2 unemployed people, and that the household benefits would go down to just her own - which would happen as soon as your daughter gets a job or leaves home... anywhere.

can't help but agree with Canny on this - just send the daughter a ticket in the post. If you think the ex would just interupt this and rip it up, then BACS the daughter the wonga

[lethalflanker]

If your daughter wants to go over to the UK to work, I would suggest you pay her air fare and tell your ex to go f**k herself.



I've already got her a ticket anyway, it was only £21 on Ryanair. Even if my ex f*cks up the plans I reckon I can afford to lose £21!!

[canute]

I've already got her a ticket anyway, it was only £21 on Ryanair. Even if my ex f*cks up the plans I reckon I can afford to lose £21!!

At least fly her on Easyjet, you skinflint!

From what you've posted on here, it seems to me as if you ex is trying to 'guilt' your daughter into staying in France. As we have already established, she is quite free to go wherever she wants and cannot be legally prevented from doing so by your ex. So, it must be her choice to stay in France, hence your ex playing the guilt card. I suspect you know all that already though.

So, you don't have to convince your ex about anything. You just have to convince your daughter that, as a young adult, she should be doing what she wants to do and not worrying about keeping her mum happy. Or keeping you happy, for that matter!

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Surely if your daughter was in a different country to your ex - then she wouldn't be part of the same household. The only way I could see it having an effect is if they claim benefits together as 2 unemployed people, and that the household benefits would go down to just her own - which would happen as soon as your daughter gets a job or leaves home... anywhere.

can't help but agree with Canny on this - just send the daughter a ticket in the post. If you think the ex would just interupt this and rip it up, then BACS the daughter the wongaThis, except, paper tickets? What is this, the 80s?

[gthedog]

:eek:

Me too. Especially after knowing the viewing history of this poster